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Company wants to hire from overseas? Fine, they can figure out how to split the cost between company and employee, with zero government involvement. Rich people from the US seeking doomsday shelter? A few million dollars, a clean criminal record and less than 48 hours in the queue. Much easier than the current system.
All of a sudden, Mozilla's decision to move towards Chrome's extension model looks suspicious.
This war doesn't end until computers pass the Turing test and we build a complete simulation of the end-user into the adblocker/spam filter/marketing call blocker/girl-scout-cookie-seller-doorbell-deactivator.
On a tangential note, this constant demand to focus on other causes whenever somebody points out something's wrong is a big part why most activism fail. Every cause gets piggybacked on by a hundred 'greater' causes that it has to expend all its resources to support. Every member has to agree with all one hundred or they can gtfo. At the end of the day nobody gets anything done, but at least you can show your friends on Facebook how virtuous you are.
If the government outsources the jackbooting to private sector, does it stamp your face less hard? What if I design a governing structure that's distributed between a small elected 'government' branch and a large, permanent network of corporations?
If you join the neo-nazis (or any similarly unpopular group) and posts that on facebook, you will lose your job, your customers will shun you, and if you are sufficiently famous the media will make sure it stays on your record forever. You will also have no platform and no way to gather like-minded people. Whatever social media you use will ban you or seek to limit your voice constantly and in imaginative ways (cf shadowban). Whatever hosting service you use to communicate with your group will shut you down unannounced when you are of sufficient size, forcing you to move, bleeding members all the while. Paypal will refuse to process your donations.
At some point somebody will dig through your past writings/interviews and misconstrue you as a pedophile.
At the end of the day you will be just another destitute crackpot that nobody pays attention to. Why bother with the jackboots?
What happens to people with the unpopular opinions? Well, Berkeley.
Try copypasting a few lines from 4chan's /pol/ in other mediums and see how far your freedom gets you.
Edit: Rereading, it looks like we're optimizing the worst case, rather than average. So we're looking for a 12:23 map where at most n bits are inaccurate, minimizing n. I'm sure there's a signals alg that does this...
Smart people end up having to run SmartPerson + NormalPersonVM(pre-alpha) in parallel. Normal people just run NormalPerson natively. Then they complain about bugs and slowness ('smart people are out of touch with reality!', etc.)
When I called them out on this on the forums (this was still a fairly new and egregious thing back then) the devs told me to put up with it or go use something else. So I did.
Main goal would be to sap morale: a few grenade-sized bombing runs and you force everybody to wear chemsuits under the desert sun.
Lastly, you know what suddenly becomes a lot more effective when you don't have to worry about getting killed by your own payload? Chemical weapons.
Maybe what we need is a system where instant messages are allowed, but it imposes a cost of some kind to the person initiating it, so that it won't be used frivolously. Like the proof-of-work antispam captchas, except it should take ~30 seconds and be just once per conversation (defined as ending when 5 minutes go by without message; first replies are free).
We could also add a social cost by displaying how often each user has used this feature in the past 24 hours, next to their username.
The reasoning that there is a small group who would refuse to fund nonwhites/women, and that has an knock-on effect on everybody else suggests:
-that there is a 'culture of racism/mysogyny'
-that we need more diversity training
-that we need to move the overton window to exclude those people with the unacceptable views (and we should do so via diversity training)
-that we need to spend money to fund the people to make the above happen.
OTOH, the reasoning that many startups lead by nonwhites and/or women got seed-funding via affirmative action despite not being strong enough to get funded on a level playground, leading to lower average quality, leading to warier investors and difficulty attracting further funding suggests:
- that there is no 'culture of racism/mysogyny', just people being rational with their money.
- that we need to wind back the irrational AA money that is distorting the market and wasting its investors' money
- that 'diversity training' is not the answer and possibly counterproductive.
-that the overton window is either fine where it is, or could be moved a bit the other way.
It is unfortunate that there is so much attached here, and I'm fairly sure most of those things are not the intended interpretations by the posters, but you can see how this is a very baggage laiden discussion. Partially it's because it echoes many, many similar discussions elsewhere, and many of those previous discussions made many people very angry at each other.
It's a tool that cuts all ways. There's nothing in a 'positive' social movement - however defined - that makes it less vulnerable to this sort of baiting than a 'negative' one, because it's an exploit on a close-to-universal personality flaw.
Further, as a strategy it is exploitable: say you have opinion X and I want you at X+1. I can manipulate you by loudly proclaiming X+2.
tl;dr: there are no easy heuristics here. Treat the entire communication environment as hostile and manipulative, form your opinions with great care, and double check all your sources.
It may eventually become an attack site that cherry-picks the past to provide ammunition, because that is a lower energy state, being easier to do than actual human annotation.
[0] http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/16/running-data-politifact-...
[1] https://thefederalist.com/2016/12/29/politifact-slants-truth...
Are we going to get 'curated' history now? Will everything they archive going forward come with a third-party annotation by a 'non partisan' fact checking group, or disappear into the ether? The latter option is far cheaper and less prong to scrutiny, after all.
One primary use I have for IA is to look for things that have been censored off their original platforms. Will I only be able to find those that align with their views going forward?
And that's why we can't have nice things, which is the common thread between telemetry in win10, trigger warnings in colleges and censorship on social media.