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You are describing idealogues and zealots and bureaucrats who want that problem to continue to exist no matter what. Because they have an agenda which involves taking control of whatever they can if they can. They would be deeply distressed if food insecurity was solved without needing their top-down control.

> If you become a public nuisance, and/or threaten or injure people due to the influence, those are also obvious offenses.

Too many good innocent people will be unable to fix the issue once it gets started. This view may appear well intentioned but the end result is suffering for people who are lied to by people offering prescriptions or who fall for the people who talk up legal things that they themselves like but that are actually bad for health. (Like alcohol)

Don’t forget who supported those arbitrary controls on your lives.

and just like that, so many problems have been solved now that we have effectively unlimited lumber...

This will be the case eventually, but not for a while yet. There are still so many useful and interesting applications that can be built until then.

In capitalism, the market can decide to want software purchase options beyond just subscriptions. Plenty of people in this thread have been offering examples of great alternatives like how JetBrains does it. But I do agree that there should be a bigger pushback against making things a SaaS that don’t need to be a SaaS.

woke is a cult that is deteriorating our institutional ability to innovate and perform.

it seems intentional at this point.

It’s not. What we are witnessing is the last gasp of an unproductive class of hall monitors and moral busybodies trying to control everyone else and appear productive and enlightened while doing it.

The people pushing these language initiatives are the obnoxious and worthless hall-monitor types no one likes to work or speak with. The ones who never do anything productive in the organization they find themselves in because they’re too busy trying to mount moral crusades.

We’ll see less of this as shops and institutions find the need to focus on ROI, products, innovation, and shareholders once again now that the fairytale of free money and unlimited free labor is expiring. The people who do the actual work to build and teach and innovate at the periphery of their chosen industry will devour the hall monitors.

No, doxxing someone isn’t free speech anymore than saying “fire” in a crowded theater when there isn’t one is. Against the policies and rules. Doesn’t matter if it’s a CEO you dislike that is being doxxed. The people on the left are the ones being disingenuous.

I am not convinced these are safe to use. I am concerned they just report back to your employer, when they are provided as a benefit, so they can “better manage attrition.” Or to large data brokers otherwise.

Unless these tools are open source and can be compiled from the source, I don’t want to entrust them with my emotions or thoughts.

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Meanwhile, California wants to “decolonize” math class and they also want to get rid of programs for gifted children who excel at accelerated material. I wonder how softer roll-outs of these ideologically-motivated changes to education over the years have affected the USA. Perhaps those changes are now culminating in this deterioration of our performance globally. We need to right the ship.

No. The majority of Americans now have antibodies one way or another. In significant excess of the 60 to 70 percent Fauci and other public servants were rooting for this entire year. Some 80 to 85 percent of the population by now has antibodies.

More than 80% of Americans have coronavirus antibodies acquired through infection or vaccination, according to a new study of over 1.4 million blood donations across the U.S. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article25398704...

And as reported on by Bloomberg and other media, the antibodies from past infection confer protection equal to or greater than Pfizer.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-...

"Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot"

And those are slated to last for decades. Source:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

"Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime"

On the exact terms given to us by Fauci and other public servants, there is no more reason for these covid mandates to exist. Not from a scientific point of view based on these links.

There is a mountain of links provided in recent comments I made, showing that it's happening in Australia and that some people are clamoring for a two-tier society. Victoria's premier is straight up saying he wants a "vaccinated economy" through 2023 - effectively banning anyone who doesn't partake, regardless of antibodies, from normal life.

That is not a slippery slope. That is reality staring you in the face. Vaccines are great. These mandates are idiotic for reasons I've thoroughly described and nobody has yet addressed the contentions on their own merit.

I don't care if George Washington in a time of war against the superpower of the time made a desperate gambit against smallpox infection in literal military conflict. None of that changes the reality of things - the vast majority of both countries have antibodies from one source or another. Those antibodies are known to be effective at preventing Delta, with breakthrough cases being rare.

Any mandates that are excluding someone from society or employment (outside of hospitals) are a mistake. We simply don't need them. We have already reached far beyond the 60-70 percent threshold Fauci and other public servants were saying would be required for herd immunity / endemic covid.

Your response is basically just justifying everything in Australia, the tyrannical overreach happening in other countries (including some would say in the USA with the recent Biden mandate on corporations). These things are NOT NECESSARY, on the very terms established by Fauci and co over the entire last year.

So explain in more detail how it's a slippery slope when (per all the links I've shared about Australia). Or explain to me why these public servants are ignoring reality and not making admissions about antibodies.

It's rather strange when someone can see all these links and their only real response is to try to justify it by calling out some rhetorical fallacy even though there wasn't one. What is this, high school debate class? I sourced my claims about what is literally happening down under, and it's not a slippery slope to understand history or to make noise when the alarm bells are going off.

Your anecdotes about your relatives in Australia are duly noted but disregarded as irrelevant, because it's anecdotes. I have family in Australia too, saying the complete opposite to you. Do you accept that? If not, then I have no reason to accept your anecdotes.

And you'd take the Australian per-capita death rate over the US...along with their tyranny? That's not worth the cost, because in the end something much much worse emerges. Have you seen any of these links yet? Here's what's actually happening in Australia.

They're going to force people who quarantine at home (rather than a government-mandated quarantine "hotel" with guards) to install and use an app. Facial recognition, GPS tracking in your own home. And it will randomly ping you, and if you don't respond within 15 minutes it'll send the police to your house to conduct an in-person quarantine check. Source:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/pandemic-a...

They're arresting people for making Facebook posts against lockdowns. Source:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-54007824

Australia presumes to say how many people can visit your home. Source:

https://theconversation.com/vaccine-passports-are-coming-to-...

“NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian yesterday announced freedoms for fully vaccinated people once 70% of the state’s eligible population are double dosed. These include being able to go to hospitality venues, hairdressers and gyms, and have five people to your home.”

They can arbitrarily lock you in your apartment building for up to weeks, no one allowed to leave. Source:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53316097

Also to address the original point more specifically and directly:

Your links to justify "vaccine or fuck off" as a historical precedent are weak. Nobody is really opposed to requirements for certain schools or working in a hospital with sick people near by. That is a wild departure from what we are seeing in Australia and the USA with the Biden administration attempting to force this onto corporations across the board and Victoria Australia straight up banning "unvaccinated" people from normal life regardless of antibodies. What we see now is people creating a new religion out of their zeal for enforcing conformity when the evidence shows that it's pointless to have that expectation. Look at the links I gave you previously: The antibodies the vast majority of these populations have are effective regardless of where they came from. Both populations have antibodies in far excess to what Fauci and other public servants deemed necessary for ending covid.

If you cannot participate in normal life because of the covid vaccination,, that is a complete departure from what we've done in the USA. And for travel too - I've traveled abroad before and was never expected to provide vaccination records at all. If it was about health, it'd be about antibodies and suspending these mandates immediately once the threshold has been reached. That threshold has been reached since this summer.

The mandates are not necessary anymore, certainly not in America or in Australia. The reason I say that is because the number of people with antibodies which prevent reinfection or most breakthrough cases, is now in major excess of what Fauci and other public servants have been saying would achieve endemic covid / herd immunity for the last year. Sources:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

"Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime"

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article25398704...

"More than 80% of Americans have coronavirus antibodies acquired through infection or vaccination, according to a new study of over 1.4 million blood donations across the U.S."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-...

"Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot"

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-vaccine-rollou...

So for children, keep it optional if someone wants to give it to their child. Mandates would be suspect.

Anyone wanting to do this doesn't need to know someone else's choices except by asking in private. Feel free to distance yourself from anyone not meeting your conditions. Whereas in general public, wear a mask and social distance.

Imposing these "rights" onto the general public is Nanny State hall monitoring on steroids, enacted and enforced by people who...we no longer have any reason to trust. Why can't we trust them? Because their entire schpiel over the last year about getting to herd immunity and endemic covid has gone out the window as of late. They are dragging their feet on acknowledging reality. Here's sources explaining why:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

"Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime"

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article25398704...

"More than 80% of Americans have coronavirus antibodies acquired through infection or vaccination, according to a new study of over 1.4 million blood donations across the U.S."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-...

"Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot"

The picture that emerges is clear. These "temporary" mandates no longer have a basis in reality.

Do you want to live in temperature-controlled rooms, monitored by the government to ensure that no transmissible diseases are around?

You may have a knee-jerk reaction to my question, thinking it has no basis in reality. Meanwhile, in Australia:

They're going to force people who quarantine at home (rather than a government-mandated quarantine "hotel" with guards) to install and use an app. Facial recognition, GPS tracking in your own home. And it will randomly ping you, and if you don't respond within 15 minutes it'll send the police to your house to conduct an in-person quarantine check. Source:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/pandemic-a...

It's not far off from your premise that a totalitarian regime would make this control the norm in the name of "don't be a vector of transmissible diseases."

The government could deliver meals to you! And let you out for exercise once a day as long as you stay within a few miles of your box! Does this still sound delusional? Those are effectively the terms that have already been imposed on people in Australia over the last year. They can arbitrarily lock you in your apartment building for up to weeks, no one allowed to leave. Sources:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53316097

https://fortune.com/2020/11/19/south-australia-adelaide-lock...

"For six days, only one person from a household will be allowed to leave home each day, and only for essential reasons, authorities said. Schools, universities, cafes and restaurants are closed, weddings and funerals are banned and mask-wearing is mandatory.

“We want to go hard, go early, but get out of it as quickly as we can,” State Premier Steven Marshall said of the measures."

This is from last year by the way. They went hard but didn't get out of it at all judging by what's still the policy in Australia. And over the last year they still had their requirement about not leaving far from your box (oops I mean house) when exercising. Nobody could leave certain cities, even.

These examples are just scratching the surface of why it's naive to formulate your worldview based on a moral righteousness about "don't be a vector for disease." It's dangerous rhetoric even if it feels good in online posting to be "better" than others this way. Don't buy into the dishonest media narrative about "vaxxed vs unvaxxed."

Don't lie or exaggerate. We do not have "vaccine or fuck off." This has never been done. What do I mean by this? I mean this:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/24/austr...

"Unvaccinated Victorians to be banned from venues including bookshops, pubs and football matches until at least 2023, while similar restrictions in NSW lift in December"

Pair that with the totalitarian measures enacted in Australia over the last 1.5 years in general (see my comment history). It's time to stop exaggerating the role that past vaccine requirements had when working in hospitals or in specific settings like that. This is much more than that, entailing a complete subversion of individual rights.

Someone supporting these types of measures has bought into the mass media kool-aid pitting "vaxxed vs unvaxxed" which is now dehumanizing a subset of the population so much so that useful fools are not seeing the writing on the wall when a rich politician is saying on absolutely zero basis who can and cannot be included in normal society.

Why do I say it's zero basis?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

"Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime"

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article25398704...

"More than 80% of Americans have coronavirus antibodies acquired through infection or vaccination, according to a new study of over 1.4 million blood donations across the U.S."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-...

"Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot"

When all the facts are considered, it's blatantly clear that these mandates serve no real purpose anymore ON THE TERMS THESE VERY PEOPLE WERE ESTABLISHING. Over the last year, we heard about 60 to 70 percent being the marker for herd immunity and endemic covid. We've reached those numbers through antibodies (regardless of source) already. For months now. Where's the admission from Fauci and Daniel Andrews that their newfound limelight and powers are no longer necessary?

There is a possibility it will get worse, unless the people of Australia and New Zealand choose to be very brave. Non-violence across the board, but there needs to be a massive outpouring before it's too late. Before the authorities just bribe the college students with free stuff - students don't have a long enough memory to see the risks of what is happening. Therefore the adults and the parents will need to be very brave and stand against the rhetoric.

The way the mass media tries to pit "unvaxxed vs vaxxed" and tries to label the unvaxxed is so dishonest, and it will prime inexperienced minds (who are already overly-zealous due to programming and doom-scrolling) to just go with whatever the State says. History does not bode well if this happens.

You just proved I'm right. In your other comment, you said "is 6 more months fine?"

And I said that they'll always find reasons to extend their magical new powers. And yet here we are, someone doing that for them by buying into the strain fear-mongering DESPITE the fact that the antibodies from past covid or from vaccination are effective against Delta. Source again:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-...

And with both populations having antibodies (from any source) in large excess of Fauci's 60-70 percent estimate, pegged as of May 2021 at over 80% of the population...it's time to end the mandates. Source again:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article25398704...

I'm not going to mince words over which Western European country may be more polite than Australia as if that detracts from my arguments about what's happening. Australia is turning into a dictatorship at this rate. That is not hyperbole. Look at the links I shared more closely. This is in a western democracy, and we have no shortage of "useful fools" who will gladly parrot the same rhetoric in America or Canada or Europe if they can.

I've heard "two more weeks" and "a few more months" multiple times now. And in fact, in the case of the extremely strict lockdown processes in Australia, they've extended them before.

If you peg it to # of cases rather than how many people have antibodies (FROM ANY SOURCE, given the links I provided as evidence on the efficacy of antibodies from past infection)...you can arbitrarily keep delaying the lockdowns and finding new justifications for more and more invasive processes.

No, no more six months. Based on what the scientists were saying for the entire last year about antibodies for 60 to 70 percent of the population resulting in endemic covid, Victoria and the broader USA have exceeded that. I haven't looked into western European countries yet to see what their antibody counts are estimated to be, but if they have similar antibody levels (from vaccination OR past infection), then these mandates should be dismissed immediately.

Who is in charge of our governments and corporations? If it's comprised of the people attempting to make it about their religious zeal on this subject, then I consider that no different than it being a government or corporation ploy for more power.

Because at the end of the day, it's the biggest stakeholders in a corporation that will love the power to force people out of having bread if they don't comply with increasingly invasive protocols.

I do not know the specific end. History does not give me comfort on this subject though. Someone else asked me the same question you did on my comment though, and I responded with links, please take a look at that response since it's a sizable one with plenty of sourced claims in it. If you will only read it if I share the same information in a reply here as well, do let me know and I'm happy to do so! I just want to redundant information wherever possible in a comment tree.

It's not about public health. It's about control.

Where do you draw the line between this and dishonest & dangerous people taking power and then blocking what they dislike on the entire country's network? How do you define what constitutes bannable illicit speech without injecting a political or ideological bent into that attempt?

Because it is misanthropic to talk about it that way. You're describing thinking conscious beings that have needs and that are born without their choosing. Construing people as an invasive species is not going to be productive or win you any points in a serious conversation on the subject.

"Unvaccinated Victorians to be banned from venues including bookshops, pubs and football matches until at least 2023, while similar restrictions in NSW lift in December"

This is assuming that these rules won't eventually extend to all of Australia and that the fascists hungry for more power won't extend them permanently to create a two-tier society where one side is deemed the enemy of the public health and the other side has to do whatever their overlords say or risk being removed from society via increasingly invasive protocols. This is tyranny. It is my sincere hope that the people on this forum have not been completely primed by some media's attempts to divide everyone along vaccinated or unvaccinated lines. It's a distraction and a way for the powerful to consolidate power.

What hubris and vile intention, then, to formulate this "reopening" the way Daniel Andrews did:

“That means we have to open the place up and we have to have a series of rules, we have to have settings, that are the lightest touch possible, the simplest, the most easily understood, that are as close to normal life as possible.

“That is what we committed to and that is what we are going to deliver.”

Bull fucking shit. Lightest touch possible? Simplest, most easily understood rules? A series of rules? This clown wants a two-tier society and more and more rules. Does anyone truly believe this trash he is saying, or that he is well-intentioned and honest? Do you really think these rules will ever go away as long as Daniel Andrews and his entire cohort are still in office and exercising their new-found powers of barking out orders and dividing the people?

I hear a more naive fellow from the audience saying - "Don't worry everyone! He said it'll be as close to normal life as possible!!" But we know and see that meanwhile, inch by inch, Daniel Andrews and his colleagues take more of your freedom. They will try to rely on young inexperienced people who lack a long enough memory to understand the risks of what's happening, bribing them into silence with a drink at the pub or a football game. They will try to mobilize the uninformed youth against those with experience and insight.

These people are charlatans. Say no, vote against them. Call and talk to your local elected officials and organize, if you still want to have a normal life in Australia. Don't believe their phony polling numbers about how many people supposedly support these actions. If the support was that absolute, media wouldn't need to be blatantly ignoring the increasing protests or the vile exercise of power that the Australian authorities have attempted over the last year. Look through my comment history for examples if you'd like.

What if your government is comprised of your petty neighbors, and now with the full capability to surveil you beyond just what you say in your garden? Stop accepting that monopoly on surveillance, it does not need to exist.