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Don't lie or exaggerate. We do not have "vaccine or fuck off." This has never been done. What do I mean by this? I mean this:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/24/austr...

"Unvaccinated Victorians to be banned from venues including bookshops, pubs and football matches until at least 2023, while similar restrictions in NSW lift in December"

Pair that with the totalitarian measures enacted in Australia over the last 1.5 years in general (see my comment history). It's time to stop exaggerating the role that past vaccine requirements had when working in hospitals or in specific settings like that. This is much more than that, entailing a complete subversion of individual rights.

Someone supporting these types of measures has bought into the mass media kool-aid pitting "vaxxed vs unvaxxed" which is now dehumanizing a subset of the population so much so that useful fools are not seeing the writing on the wall when a rich politician is saying on absolutely zero basis who can and cannot be included in normal society.

Why do I say it's zero basis?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

"Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime"

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article25398704...

"More than 80% of Americans have coronavirus antibodies acquired through infection or vaccination, according to a new study of over 1.4 million blood donations across the U.S."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-...

"Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot"

When all the facts are considered, it's blatantly clear that these mandates serve no real purpose anymore ON THE TERMS THESE VERY PEOPLE WERE ESTABLISHING. Over the last year, we heard about 60 to 70 percent being the marker for herd immunity and endemic covid. We've reached those numbers through antibodies (regardless of source) already. For months now. Where's the admission from Fauci and Daniel Andrews that their newfound limelight and powers are no longer necessary?

> Don't lie or exaggerate. We do not have "vaccine or fuck off." This has never been done.

Here's NY's.

"Children attending day care and pre-K through 12thgrade in New York State must receive all required doses of vaccines on the recommended schedule in order to attend or remain in school. This is true unless they have a valid medical exemption to immunization. This includes all public, private, and religious schools. A medical exemption is allowed when a child has a medical condition that prevents them from receiving a vaccine. There are no nonmedical exemptions to school vaccine requirements in NYS."

https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/schools/sc...

More examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_requirements_for_i...

You can tell me all about Australia's supposedly totalitarian setup, but I've got a bunch of Australian relatives who wouldn't willingly trade places with me. My grandma hasn't had to wear a mask the whole time; my uncle just had to for a couple days. My American kids are in their second year of masking at school; one of these things looks like a dystopian movie, but it's not Australia.

(I'll take the Aussie per-capita death rate over the US one, too.)

Your anecdotes about your relatives in Australia are duly noted but disregarded as irrelevant, because it's anecdotes. I have family in Australia too, saying the complete opposite to you. Do you accept that? If not, then I have no reason to accept your anecdotes.

And you'd take the Australian per-capita death rate over the US...along with their tyranny? That's not worth the cost, because in the end something much much worse emerges. Have you seen any of these links yet? Here's what's actually happening in Australia.

They're going to force people who quarantine at home (rather than a government-mandated quarantine "hotel" with guards) to install and use an app. Facial recognition, GPS tracking in your own home. And it will randomly ping you, and if you don't respond within 15 minutes it'll send the police to your house to conduct an in-person quarantine check. Source:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/pandemic-a...

They're arresting people for making Facebook posts against lockdowns. Source:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-54007824

Australia presumes to say how many people can visit your home. Source:

https://theconversation.com/vaccine-passports-are-coming-to-...

“NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian yesterday announced freedoms for fully vaccinated people once 70% of the state’s eligible population are double dosed. These include being able to go to hospitality venues, hairdressers and gyms, and have five people to your home.”

They can arbitrarily lock you in your apartment building for up to weeks, no one allowed to leave. Source:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53316097

Also to address the original point more specifically and directly:

Your links to justify "vaccine or fuck off" as a historical precedent are weak. Nobody is really opposed to requirements for certain schools or working in a hospital with sick people near by. That is a wild departure from what we are seeing in Australia and the USA with the Biden administration attempting to force this onto corporations across the board and Victoria Australia straight up banning "unvaccinated" people from normal life regardless of antibodies. What we see now is people creating a new religion out of their zeal for enforcing conformity when the evidence shows that it's pointless to have that expectation. Look at the links I gave you previously: The antibodies the vast majority of these populations have are effective regardless of where they came from. Both populations have antibodies in far excess to what Fauci and other public servants deemed necessary for ending covid.

If you cannot participate in normal life because of the covid vaccination,, that is a complete departure from what we've done in the USA. And for travel too - I've traveled abroad before and was never expected to provide vaccination records at all. If it was about health, it'd be about antibodies and suspending these mandates immediately once the threshold has been reached. That threshold has been reached since this summer.

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