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An concrete examples of converting a user using these types of cards for free trial abuse is a user who signed up 8 week in a row using different emails, names, IPs and cards. Nudging of these users was enabled and on trying to sign up for their 9th trial they immediately switched back to their original account and converted at full price.

We have seen individuals just trying to get free accounts week after week, who when nudged once pay immediately thousands of dollars even after using fake, stolen or empty cards.

These individuals think they are being cheeky and when they are 'caught' they revert to doing the right thing.

We have seen customers where free tier abusers created 80k+ accounts in a day and cost millions of dollars. We have also seen businesses, like Oddsjam add significant revenue by prompting abusers to pay.

The phycology of abuse is also quite interesting, where even what appears to be serious abusers (think fake credit cards, new email accounts etc.) will refuse a discount and pay full price if they feel they 'got caught'

This led us to believe this page was MitM rather than crawled directly (as they would not be able to impersonate the user)

The diversity of cloud networks looks to be due to these being deployed by individual institutions (eg. universities, corporations etc.) rather than only run from Palo Alto Network's data centers.

We also saw slightly different configurations with different browser versions, but with the same pattern of behaviour.

In this case these appeared to be all MitM'ed pages from a security device since the key wasn't in the url and it contained userids for a specific user.

It is scary that for people in a corporate environment this could be rendering banking, messaging or any other pages contents.

A strong referral by a knowledgeable person often skips that person to the front of interview queue. I have hired a number of people based on referrals from team members, VCs and previous coworkers.

Many referral systems have a how good do you think this personal really is field and often an option for "I don't know this person that well I am just referring them to say I did".

If you are asking for a referral, make it as easy as possible for the referer to make you look great. They probably don't remember all your awesome work like you do, so make sure you give them simple impactful points.

The right feedback wasn't getting to product, so the right problems weren't getting solved and sales and customer success teams weren't feeling heard or empowered to get things fixed.

I wrote this as a bit of a guide on how I have solved these problems in the past and hopefully it will help others do so too.

Found something that works well? I would love to hear about it

Happy to answer any questions

Is the correct one. I will fix in the original, Thanks!

Not only because of habits, but also because people have set it up just for them and they feel they need to tidy it or make it good enough to share with others.

Having a very clear delimitation between what is a persons and what is a teams/organization is really important when moving from single -> multi.

I would love to hear what things people have found worked really well too!

I wanted to share how we dealt with it as apparently this is happening to a lot of companies and there isn't a good guide on how to deal with it.

I was hoping there was a private API to support access?

They had noted they saw or expected the users who were on someone else's account and who used it actively to come back with their own accounts or convince the account holder to pay for them

I did more of a write up based on what they are shared in their earnings here: https://upollo.ai/blog/learning-from-netflixs-earnings

To answer your question, yes they are hard, but they make sense from a retention and overall revenue perspective.

I have seen a lot of people suggest blocking all free email domains or only supporting a small subset of whitelisted domains, I expect businesses to see pretty quickly that they lose a decent percent of legitimate signups.

The legitimate signups being the good measure as if you are filtering out disposable emails for instance you will lower your overall signups but should have no negative impact on revenue (potentially positive as people who would signup with disposable accounts now signup with accounts you can contact them on and they are happy to convert to paying with).

We try to make this easy be doing email validation for free at any scale and only flagging the people we are sure are not valid (disposable, unreachable domains etc.)

Great resource and definitely soon good things to add in for names, especially around changing them

We wanted to share some of the data we have seen from analyzing signups at scale and insights from great companies like Hubspot.

It is by no means complete, so please share anything you believe is missing.

[1] https://github.com/google/libphonenumber/blob/master/FALSEHO... [2]https://beesbuzz.biz/code/439-Falsehoods-programmers-believe...

Activation rates make sense when you look at them as what does a user have to do to get value out of the product? It might be connect a bank account for an accounting tool or complete a social post for a tool like hootsuite.

Choosing the right one is important as you will start shaping your entire funnel to get users to complete that action and if it is only correlation and not causation you may find it leading the product in the wrong direction

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We are writing up some content about free tiers as a follow up based on the feedback we got from this thread. Looking forward to sharing it.

We just shared a follow up article on how to deal with repeated trials that expands up on what we included in this article

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32696631 https://upollo.ai/blog/when-users-repeat-trials

The total number of subscribers you get at the end or total ARR is the key metric as you say, trial to paid is an important metric that goes into that analysis and is a good leading indicator.

You are 100% right that more friction makes people more likely to bail, lower the number of people who start a trial.

Credit cards in particular are an interesting one, because you are effectively asking people to sign up twice if you don't require them for the trial. Once when they create an account and again 7 or 30 days later when the trial ends.

That friction being added for people to continuing to use the product has worse outcomes that getting the friction out of the way up front.