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> Other examples include memories of the title of the Berenstain Bears children's books being spelled Berenstein,[16][17] the logo of clothing brand Fruit of the Loom featuring a cornucopia,[18] and the existence of a 1990s movie titled Shazaam starring comedian Sinbad as a genie.
Why not say that God was created by God_1, who just already existed?
Of course. And the equivalent of that explanation is baked into DALL-E, in the form of its programming to always generate an image.
> but DALLE can not act like humans
No, not generally, but I don't think anyone has claimed that.
And to push it further, in what sense is each moment's consciousness the same as the previous?
Of course, the problem is that implementations like this are actually stepping away from the very good NLG system we already have: human translators, who typically aren't coders. And the need for NLG hasn't gone away -- someone still has to hardcode these (parameterized) strings.
On the other hand, brains certainly do seem to function like qualia detectors (as evidenced by everyone talking about qualia). So, who knows, maybe there's something further to be explored there; maybe it's related to the combination problem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panpsychism#Combination_proble...).
The idea is that there's always "something that it's like to be X", where X can equally be a conscious human, an anesthetized human, a dead human, or an electron.
My point is that the resulting behaviors and discrimination can still be racist, even if they don't have their ultimate roots in racism itself.
From your link:
> also : behavior or attitudes that reflect and foster this belief : racial discrimination or prejudice
> : the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another
Edit: Anyway, I do recognize that the distinction you're pointing out does have implications for the best way to address the problems.
I think you've just described racism.
I'm still curious what principles you think justify the enforcement of the latter, and especially why they don't cover things like the OP's forced organ donation scenario.
Edit: Just to expand on the first point, I think there's some circular reasoning going on here.
If the claim is "people should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term," you can't support that with "because people should endure the consequences of their actions" if "consequences of their actions" means "being forced to carry a pregnancy to term."
Because then you're just saying "people should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term because people should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term."
I think you've gone a little too broad with that principle. If I ask a taxi to take me somewhere, I can get out if I notice the driver is drunk. If I accidentally spill a glass of water, I can clean it up. And so on.
That's a separate question from whether that loss of bodily autonomy is justified.
> Women choose to have sex consensually, no?
Well, yes, sometimes. Maybe you could be more explicit about how you think that justifies the loss of bodily autonomy?
For example, maybe you have a principle like "If you played a necessary role in the creation of a person, then you can be compelled to use your body to support their life." Do you think fathers should be compelled to donate blood or organs to their offspring?
Originally we were talking about many people forced to give up privacy in order to possibly prevent some potential future deaths.
You're talking about one person consenting to give up privacy in order to prevent multiple certain deaths.
Even if we agreed that life begins at conception, it's not at all clear to me that the bodily autonomy and privacy issues would go away.
> it would be better if the states wrote legislation that clearly defines human life
Except there's no objective answer in reality, because "human life" is a fuzzy made-up concept. I doubt some arbitrary legislation would settle things down. People would still disagree just as vehemently.
How is the government going to know which people have fetuses in them, and how long they've been there, without some loss of privacy? (Do you think menstrual cycles are private information, for example?)
And how does the government know what people do (or plan to do) to their own bodies without some loss of privacy?
> In regards to bodily autonomy, again if the fetus is a life
Well yes, you can argue against bodily autonomy as a compelling argument for legalizing abortion. My initial point was that you were just ignoring it.
That said...
> you have to be a good steward of the life
Says who? Compelling someone to use their body as a host (not "steward") of another life is a violation of their bodily autonomy.
If you're going to use car analogies, we also don't say that anyone involved in a car crash must donate blood or organs to save other victims.
I also think you're dismissing privacy too quickly. How much privacy would you give up in the name of saving lives?
Probably not, but only because "That's silly, bananas are just fruit!" rather than because of any scientific study I've seen or done. So you really shouldn't listen to me.
Dangerous human drivers are likely to be consistently erratic (e.g., drunk), or distracted and oblivious in certain situations (bikes, intersections, lane changes).
For all we know, an AI driver might drive perfectly for three hours, and then accelerate full speed onto the sidewalk.
If the idea is that 5 minutes isn't enough time to beat the traffic -- well, yeah, could be, but that also depends on where you live.
So instead of 10 million cancer deaths per year, suddenly we see zero. But also 10 extra choking deaths.
"The Anti-Cancer Pill caused 10 people to choke to death this year. In contrast, 0 people died of cancer. 10 is much bigger than 0! Why hasn't this pill been banned immediately?"
* By default, years before 2019 aren't turned on. 2016 in particular looks fairly close to 2021.
* At first glance, it looks like 2021 is plunging straight toward 0 -- but wait, the y axis starts at 1065. The whole chart only covers the range 1065-1100. This year's level is currently 98.3% of last year's!
Are things still bad? Maybe, but I would want an expert interpretation, not a confusing chart.