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I wish more people understood this. No, 35°C is not "too hot", 90% RH is not "too humid" and 10°C is not "too cold", your body is just not adapted to it yet like the locals.

So many central and west Asian countries less or equally religious to India? Yeah that doesn't make sense.

As usual, racism and stupidity comes together. Immigration is not charity. It is a way for host countries to maintain global power and living standards for their citizens. In a way immigrants are saving the former colonial powers from collapse.

No need to spread FUD here. What you're saying isn't really happening and is not a problem. Mountains are being made out of molehills to spread FUD and derail actual useful discussion for the purposes of making a political point. Show us some proof and then we can talk.

Countries are sovereign units of control that we've divided ourselves into. To actually get some meaningful work done we have to hold some countries into account. Example: the US obviously needs to be held to account for pulling out of the Paris agreement, since it's the worst offender in both per-capita and total consumption-based emissions, despite having the capabilities to change that (being rich).

We do have that data:

https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$model$markers$line$data$fi...

Yes it is because it is clearly mentioned in the article that the pros and cons were shown in a way that seemed equally important. This is fuel for conspiracy theorists who are always looking to brainwash children.

Because of the article. Remote work is not preferred by many because it simply cannot match face to face interaction.

And I don't know what your problem is, I was merely pointing out the parent commentator was very wrong with the salary numbers they provided, which shows disconnect with reality. I never said that all jobs can and will go remote. Read my comments again, properly this time.

> Note that in India people work longer hours

Grasping at straws here.

> I have many years of experience, and a history of being worth paying

Seems like your ego can't handle it. Why do you think that there aren't similar people elsewhere in the world? You can't keep throwing random numbers without sources to back them up. The reality is that your job can be done by many others living in a country with lower COL with much, much less money.

> Going rate for someone in India that is as good as me is about 60% of my pay

Ah, totally not an inflated sense of self worth... do you have a source for that number? New grad salaries for even graduates of top CS programs in India are between 1/4th and 1/3rd of $100k [1]. For most other good graduates it's lower.

So what you said is incredibly ignorant and arrogant. Do better. You're not as special as you think.

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Software-Engineer-Ba...

> Yet China and India continue to build new coal-fired power stations. And the G7 - Canada, France, Germany, Japan, the UK and the US - won't give a date to phase them out.

The rich don't want to give up coal because they have gotten too comfortable with their overconsumption lifestyle, and the poor can't afford to not use coal because life in poverty is worse than life with climate change consequences.

Now is the time to invest big in renewable energy research and encourage our children to participate in it, otherwise we are screwed.

What's wrong with being idealistic? At least it aspires people to work towards the ideal. The statement I said is scientifically correct, the world is not inherently overpopulated. People like you with anti-science attitudes spread the popular but false narrative that the world is overpopulated and the only solution to climate change is shrinking the human population. This steers people in the wrong direction and slows down actual progress in solving climate change.

I'm hopeful as well. I believe that humanity will definitely suffer from climate change to an extent, at least in this century, but eventually will figure out sustainable energy and thus not go extinct.

HN is only good for tech stuff. For topics like economics and geopolitics it is only marginally better than Reddit and getting worse. Despite what programmers think, they aren't smart at everything.

20 years is more like it. Both countries were at a similar place until the late 90s / early 2000s.

https://qz.com/india/404758/once-near-equals-china-and-india...

All of this doesn't take into account technological advancement.

Ignorant and myopic. There is no specific population limit after which you can say that overpopulation occurs. If we had unlimited nuclear energy and amazing battery technology figured out (who says we never will?), we could probably have tens of billions of people sustainably with enough land for everyone. So yeah your opinion deserves to be downvoted.

The downvotes show how little the HN audience knows about economics and geopolitics, making dumbass statements like

> Modern life is pretty damn great but let's not kid ourselves that it's basically theft from the poor and the young.

> if the 1 billion "rich people" drop their emissions down to below average then the majority of the problem will still be here.

True. But the "majority" is not as big as you think.

> there will be 1 billion less wealthy people

Just wrong. There are lots of ways to reduce emissions without any effect in wealth. Eating less meat is one example.

> for no particular net gain.

Very wrong, there are huge gains: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/21/worlds-r...

> I advocate the radical approach of encouraging people to have less children.

I knew you would say this, I was just waiting for it. Global birth rates have been in freefall for decades now, it's tragic that people don't know about it. You'd assume that supposedly "better" education in western countries would make people more aware, but western governments are only concerned with maintaining global western hegemony which requires falsely accusing the rest of the world and keeping their citizens ignorant. Also, you can't force people to have less children, that's inhumane. I suggest you go through the following links.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsBT5EQt348

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVimVzgtD6w

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34890015-factfulness

Bullshit.

Can clearly see your bias here. Why are you ignoring the emissions by the rich 1B people, they are the ones that can actually do something about it (reduce consumption and invest in research) thanks to their relatively luxurious lives. The others are just trying to survive - for them, consequences of climate change are still much better than the current state of poverty.

The rest of the world has a very low carbon footprint per person, just that the population is much higher. How do you propose reducing the population, birth rates have already been dropping drastically across the globe and human population will peak at ~10B. Do you want to kill them off? Do you feel your life is more important than theirs?

We're talking about different things here. I said per capita matters because it helps us blame the correct people, and we certainly need to do that because there are >1B people in rich western countries that have an unfairly high CO2 footprint.

Yup, consumption CO2 per capita is what matters:

https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$model$markers$line$data$fi...

Why would you include India and not the EU? They are obviously a bigger player as a bloc in terms of emissions.

True. So western countries that have extremely high per capita numbers need to reduce their emissions by consuming less and supporting renewable tech research.

https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$model$markers$line$data$fi...

> but we are not talking about historic levels, we are talking about current and future levels

That's the problem. We need to talk about it. The west is causing a disproportionate amount of emissions despite the climate emergency, and still their citizens are blissfully unaware and ignorant. That's obviously unfair so justice is relevant here. Talking educates people and allows them to do something about it.

Yes it's going to be an issue, but nothing can be done about it. For poor countries like India, industrialization with climate consequences is still way better than poverty!

> Historical levels are irrelevant

Yeah, no. The west industrialized by polluting the world, and it still reaping its benefits at the expense of the rest of the world. Historical emissions are absolutely relevant because they affect the present. Nice try though.

> Only present and future levels matter.

Yes. But present levels are high because of the historical emissions of the west. And presently the west is using way more than their allocated CO2 footprint.

> the likes of China and India are by far the biggest culprits while Africa is projected to quadruple it's population while rapidly industrializing. The growing number of people is the main problem.

Bullshit. The western ignorance and entitlement is unreal. Americans and Europeans are responsible for the vast majority of historical CO2 emissions, while having a small fraction of the world's population. If someone is to be blamed for climate change, it's them.

https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$model$markers$line$data$fi...

What gives you the right to stop the rest of the world from industrializing?

Look at the obscene CO2 emissions caused due to over-consumption in western countries:

https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$model$markers$line$data$fi...

Poor countries are going through the standard demographic transition model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition. You cannot blame them for having high birth rates, even Europe and America had high birth rates when they were poor.

Birth rates in India and China are already below replacement, Africa's will also be later in the century.

Do you think people in America are more entitled to have babies than in the rest of the world?

The problem is not growing population, correlation is not causation. The root problem is lack of renewable tech that can sustain the modern quality of life for all humanity.

I suggest watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsBT5EQt348

It's high time people stopped the tiresome and senseless bitching about India/China/Africa having too many babies, and focused on renewable energy research instead.

BS, as if culture is something that is constant and does not evolve. It's more like a feedback loop. Culture influences results and results influence culture. Tip it the wrong way and it's hard to get out of a negative feedback loop.

Hinduism is not really a "religion", as the western term implies. From Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism#Definitions

Hinduism includes a diversity of ideas on spirituality and traditions, but has no ecclesiastical order, no unquestionable religious authorities, no governing body, no prophet(s) nor any binding holy book; Hindus can choose to be polytheistic, pantheistic, panentheistic, pandeistic, henotheistic, monotheistic, monistic, agnostic, atheistic or humanist. According to Doniger, "ideas about all the major issues of faith and lifestyle – vegetarianism, nonviolence, belief in rebirth, even caste – are subjects of debate, not dogma.

> Sadly recent radicalisation have dented its malleability.

Hindutva shouldn't be confused with Hinduism: https://www.asianstudies.org/publications/eaa/archives/on-th...

There needs to be much more upper back work, especially in the full body strength routine, to avoid shoulder injuries.