rocknor

Are you like 20? Your own country and allies have probably thrown fuel into some of these fires historically.

> It’s getting a bit boring to be honest.

Learn some empathy. Or next time something happens to your country I'm gonna feel the same.

This is all you need to know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z9UyPurVok

You are not as important as you think you are.

Not all HN users are in America/Europe, stupidly ignorant about the rest of the world.

To us, Ukraine/Russia is the same old tiresome story.

It definitely crossed 8M, but not sure if it crossed the previous highest (Felix Baumgartner freefall) which is also around 8M.

Can you clarify how is history being rewritten here? All I see is a discussion of historical events to the best extent possible using available data. Everything can be googled for references. Are you discrediting the BBC? And where is the anti-Muslim sentiment? I reckon your victim complex is the real problem here. I suggest reading more rather than falling for cheap simplistic narratives that are widely available for consumption.

QoL != wealth. For example, many Americans live in Europe and more would gladly do so despite significantly lower per-capita income.

Yeah, people who think jobs being shipped to other countries is bad should realise that in the long run this increases their own mobility. The quality of life gap between the US and these countries decreases, because higher per-capita income makes everything better. This leads to fewer visa restrictions between those countries. Believe me, India's geographical diversity and cultural openness makes it an amazing place to live provided it fixes its pressing issues and increases its HDI.

Tangentially, this shows why moving jobs to countries with similar values of democracy/pluralism/diversity (e.g. India) is better than authoritarian states, as the latter does not really improve the mobility of your citizens.

Despite continuous cries of "capitalism bad" these days it continues to uplift people all around the world by offering skilled people a fairer chance to compete, while also promoting long lasting world peace. We need more of it, not less.

While I somewhat agree that progress has been slow, a decade is hardly anything considering the scale of a country like India.

> Indians are only good at talking a good talk.

Citation needed.

Seriously, it has become a pattern now in every thread related to India. Really shows how HN techies are clueless about real world trends and live in their small bubbles.

These nonsense generalizations have no place on HN. Similar cultural norms exist in many European countries, but they are never brought up. Such thinly veiled racism against Asians is nauseating.

The creation of Pakistan is one of the biggest mistakes in modern history. The only country created on the basis of religion, thanks to the nonsensical Two Nation Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-nation_theory. It was created so Muslims can be safe in their own country, but ironically Muslims in India enjoy a way better life and future prospects. As an Indian I wish the country gets rid of its weird Muslim superiority complex and adopts secular values so peace between our nations becomes a real possiblity.

The Pakistani government even removed the word "Muslim" from his headstone. Sick backward country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdus_Salam#Death

True, but in this case it absolutely is.

> The Hindu explains why poverty doesn’t upset her.

So according to the author me and my community are not upset by poverty and hence are not doing anything to fix it.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/india-lifted...

https://gdc.unicef.org/resource/report-india-lifted-271-mill...

Who is this author again and why are people listening to a charlatan like him?

I hope they close down permanently. At least it creates more incentive for countries to invest in reducing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

> You lost me at Churchill is worse than Hitler

For Indians*. It's not hard to understand, Churchill caused more harm than Hitler in India.

> people flooding into England have minimal respect for the British culture

Wrong. I respect rule of law, democratic institutions, scientific rigour, equality, secularism. That I believe is British culture. I will always root for these values, and indeed these are also the fundamental values of the Indian constitution. My problem is only with people like you who have forgotten these values. I consider myself more British than you. Well tbf I consider myself a global citizen.

What I do not respect is denial of your own history, weird unfounded superiority complex and meddling in other countries affairs. US and allies have a history of supporting non-democratic genocidal regimes in many parts of the world including the Indian subcontinent, all while claiming a moral high ground.

> subsumed by a culture that has ecologically irresponsible amounts of children.

You don't learn do you? Go read the book I mentioned in my previous comment.

> To be fair the British are opening the doors to let it happen.

There are many Brits smarter than you who see the bigger picture.

Wrong on every point. Luckily right now I have the patience to correct you.

> Every country on the planet fought tooth and nail for all of our existence

Ah yes. Killing hundreds of millions and siphoning off trillions over couple hundred years, only to "fight for your own existence". You even worship Churchill as a hero who was worse than Hitler. You are a joke.

> I like how you make the distinction between Indian and Britain.

Asians were considered as a different class/caste in your own English legal system and denied certain rights back then. So yeah.

> Why isn't India the greatest GDP country on the planet if what you're saying is true?

Yeah, and why can't we solve nuclear fusion already? Surely it only takes a few years...

> because they don't have ecologically responsible numbers of children

Poverty leads to high birth rates, not culture. If you had the slightest clue about anything you would understand that fundamental fact. Read up on demographic transition, and how it has been delayed in Asia/Africa because of European imperialism. I recommend the book Factfulness by Hans Rosling. Birth rates are falling everywhere and human population will hit the peak in a few decades. As for fucking the planet, read up on which countries have the highest cumulative emissions and continue to have high per-capita emissions because of their greedy lifestyles. There was a time when London had worse air than Delhi today. Things change, unlike your static worldview.

I'm really starting to question the quality of your education system, maybe that's why your country is failing. No worries, we're here to take the wheel. Signing off from London, UK.

> who died in wars defending England, people who have shed blood for England

Boo fucking hoo. 1/6th of all British forces in WW2 were Indian, of course you don't count them. All this is ironic considering Britain murdered and raped the rest of the world to be where it is today. India was the cash cow of the empire without which Britain would not survive the war. And economic migration has been happening throughout human history, it is a fact of life. Immigrants today are actually saving the country by keeping the economy afloat and maintaining values of hard work which the "multi-generational English" people seem to have forgotten. Stop being a miserable old racist c*nt, go outside and actually talk to some brown people and fix your pitiful existence.

I see it as capitalism working as it should. There is a huge supply of competent labour in the developing world but hiring remotely was infeasible until recently. This resulted in inflated salaries in developed countries, which is now being reversed thanks to the internet. It is an economic rebalancing of sorts. This is a net good, hundreds of millions people in developing countries now have a more fair chance to compete. And no, they don't feel like they are being "sucked dry" despite what you might say (to save your own job).

> Also, didn't Liz Truss's cabinet not have a single English man on it recently? Out of 22 spots not one English male.

Is there an exact definition of an "English man" you know that we aren't aware of? Most of them are born and brought up in England, they seem pretty English to me. And why do you specifically point out males, what about English females?

Population reduction is good, but once the world population falls to say 500M and you want to maintain it, you need ~2 babies per woman on average. If conceiving becomes difficult, we may not achieve that and hypothetically end up in a Children Of Men situation.

> history was rewritten

Hundreds of millions of people still use it regularly in India, it's everywhere. It's pretty innocuous. Unless you stop them from doing so somehow, history is not rewritten. Attempts to colonize ancient symbols will not succeed.

And how exactly is that "fascist", can you explain? The word has no meaning now.

Reducing the population by having a low birth rate is good. But mathematically it cannot be so forever. To maintain a non-decreasing population you need 2 children per woman on average, doesn't matter if your country has 10^4 or 10^8 people.

Immigration is only a temporary solution, it may not be a reliable solution by the end of the century. Global birth rates are falling and QoL is slowly improving, reducing the incentive to immigrate.

You don't need to have a high HDI society with free market principles and individual civil liberties. The requirements for limiting population are even lower. You just need to eradicate extreme poverty and provide decent healthcare and education. Most countries in the world are already on the path to meet these requirements (including major ones). Birth rates are in free fall across the world [1]. There's no one to get on board with "my ideals".

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsBT5EQt348

It sounds bad for India, but isn't really because birth rates have been in free fall (only since independence, no thanks to Britain) and have recently dropped below replacement [1]. In 4 decades or less, the population will peak and start decreasing.

India can reap the benefits of the demographic dividend, but it remains to be seen if it actually will...

https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$model$markers$line$data$fi...

If by "control" you meant "limit", then there's no problem at all. With free market and civil liberties birth rates fall below replacement, causing stagnation and eventually depopulation.

It's sad to see how many people don't know this simple fact. India and China actually have a smaller share of the world population now (around 1/3). In most of human history it was bigger [1]

It would've been even smaller if it wasn't for the devastating consequences of European imperialism. These countries were left in a piss poor state, lack of education and healthcare etc, resulting in a long period of high birth rates with exponential growth.

Check the graph below [2] you can clearly where most damage happened, during the main occupation period (1850s to 1950s). Britain had falling birth rates (prosperity) but they were constantly high in India (poverty). Birth rates have been on a steep decline only after independence. Yet empire apologists somehow claim that it was a net good for India :)

[1] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/population-by-country

[2] https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$model$markers$line$data$fi...