Canada weather: Heatwave hits record 46.6C as US north-west also frazzles
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https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/
long term co2: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/...
And yet, we still have actual supposedly rational people being paid to say "global warming is a myth" or "we are just in another cycle of ice ages". It boggles the mind.
Edit: Responses like child’s being a case in point. Anyone that opens with “So…” and follows up with a straw man or even a complete non sequitur such as in this case is not contributing to the satisfaction of intellectual curiosity.
Edit: As for CO2 sensors mine has been sitting in the mid 300s for the decade I’ve had it.
Where did you get your information from?
Ironically your anecdote at the end is a great example of irreverent cherry picking.
If you have only seen cherry-picked data and have not seen intelligent discussion (and such discussion is something you really want to have), then I suggest you read the IPCC reports and participate in discussions regarding the IPCC reports.
Your comment about the CO2 observation station on the active volcano is difficult to evaluate. I have never come across any convincing evidence that this matters. Have you?
The amount of weathering depends on the access the atmosphere has to the rock. If there is a thick ice layer, the rate goes down. Water plays a role as well, and the fastest weathering happens in the tropics and not the deserts (where you have mechanical weathering which does not bind CO2). Accordingly, the configuration of continents can play a role as well, which is interesting if you go back far enough. On the other hand, the volcano emissions appear somewhat constant over time.
In total though, there are still many open questions. Why does CO2 appear to go up so fast after an ice age? Does CO2 or temperature go up first? In the records, the temperature increase appears rather sudden, on the timescale of decades. How does this happen? (Note though that that has no huge importance for our current problem since the situation is different. But the reaction speed of the system is relevant, for example.)
Note: If we wait long enough (~tens of thousands of years) the CO2 level should go down again from weathering. There are proposals for carbon capture that uses this mechanism (by grounding the rocks and distributing them openly so the atmosphere can reach a lot of the rock surface, thus increasing the weathering rate massively).
Note2: You need silicate rock, which is not distributed evenly.
* Natural cycle. This goes up and down year on year: that’s the rise and fall you see in the chart. In real life it has to do with northern hemisphere summer and leaf growth. * Human activity. We’re pouring water into the bathtub and the water level rises
So during the pandemic we just poured water less quickly. You wouldn’t expect a drop from that. You’d just expect a slower rise.
To actually fix climate change we have to:
1. Get human emissions to zero
2. Start taking co2 from the atmosphere, actually lowering the water in the tub
It’s a big task and we haven’t even really started. Our emissions rate has been growing, not shrinking.
But we are laying the groundwork with renewable capacity and with rapidly advancing carbon capture and storage. SomI still hold out hope we can do it. But to do that we need to understand the basic shape of the problem.
I get what you mean, and you likely mean global, but US emissions have actually been decreasing for about 15 years: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/carb...
And not surprisingly there is a disclaimer “ The Mauna Loa data are being obtained at an altitude of 3400 m in the northern subtropics, and may not be the same as the globally averaged CO2 concentration at the surface.”
High grass used to be green in the summer, now most of it is dead and yellow.
Driving an entire day for vacation and finding just a few dead bugs on the flat places that used to be caked with their corpses.
Actually cold winters and fresh snow that stays on the ground. Ice skating for miles and miles during the day and huddling by the fire at night.
All gone, except for a few snippets here and there, barely enough to scratch the surface of the nostalgia. My kids will never know these things.
My dad once drove his car over the frozen river near our hometown. I've never even seen ice on it.
Hey, what can you say, we were overdue.
A Dutch expression [1] is "Na mij de zondvloed". It roughly translates to "The (biblical) flooding will come after I'm dead". Unfortunately this is a common attitude here.
[1] From the French "Après moi, le déluge" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apr%C3%A8s_moi,_le_d%C3%A9luge
It's called nuclear. It has its downsides, but they are significantly smaller than downsides of fossil. Even with a few more meltdowns here and there it'd have done much less damage. And if we'd have used it by now we'd have learned to control it better and safer.
But we didn't use it. And there is just one guilty party for that: the green activists. They opposed Nuclear rabidly while never proposing any practical solution instead. We should talk about this. We should point our collective fingers at them.
Because today, the same luddite, anti-tech activists are busy delaying evolution and progress in other areas as well. Their dream of an egalitarian, resource-constrained, pseudo-agrarian society is a nightmare of stagnation and regress. They must be confronted and stopped. If it's not already too late...
It's a war, a culture war. A war between dreams and nightmares, a war between tradition and innovation, a war between progress and stagnation, a war for the future. And it's our only hope.
It's not getting built because it's hard to make money from it anymore. If it was a solid money making proposition you'd see lots of resources being thrown into overcoming any activist resistance, and shoring up any concerns. Compare this with oil. Ecologically awful, but it makes lots and lots of money and as a result it's not having the same issues.
And yeah, I get they don't kill that many people, but evacuating a large amount of people and cleaning up is an enormous expense. Which is part of the problem really. You can build a really solid powerplant, which will cost $$. Or you can let people do it on the cheap, and deal with the consequences when it leaks, which will cost $$$.
Now looking at that graph I think one thing becomes very clear: no sane person would buy power from a nuclear plant if they could get it from solar or wind instead.
But if you do that, nuclear becomes even more expensive. It's nearly all capital costs. If you're only selling power during half the day, you make half the money, and take twice as long to pay off the loans.
That introduces the very real possibility that you'll never pay it off. And so why would anybody want to build one?
Say what you will about the values or reasoning of "green activists," the idea that they have wielded enough influence to sway energy policy is risible. Market forces, NIMBYism and fossil fuel lobbying dollars were sufficient to spike nuclear power.
> I am so angry about this.
> It's a war, a culture war.
Greens are a right-wing bogeyman. You're meant to be angry at them.
When green issues started entering the public conscience politicians quickly adopted them and proposed quick&easy fixes.
Fear of the unknown of the nuclear made them regulate and red-tape it out of the market. Just look at what Japan and German politicians did when Fukushima happened.
So let's suppose that you're elected President. You want to build nuclear. Chances are pretty good not a single will get completed during your term, which means you won't get to take credit for that achievement. If it all goes well, the main beneficiary will be your successor. If it goes wrong (including just being plain unprofitable), it'll be your legacy.
And unless your only mission in life is to get nuclear built, that's a bad thing because there are other things you probably want to achieve. Nuclear is unfortunately so big and so expensive that it constrains your other options.
They aren’t solely at fault: the right blocked carbon taxes or any kind of solution they could. But greens had their eye on the wrong ball for sure.
Germany's certainly doing an admirable job with renewables in general, and increasing their wind power capacity specifically. Not to mention the manufacturing and tech associated with that stuff. I live in the US near a turbine made by Kenersys in Germany and it kills me that it made sense to import that, instead of buying one manufactured locally.
Did you seriously create an account to make this comment?
[1] https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2020/01/fossil-fuel-polit...
We have to reform our investment laws and hold first-world multinationals and governments accountable. They’re the ones funding all of this trash.
2: https://reneweconomy.com.au/palaszczuks-secret-royalties-dea...
I've done that to my old workshop, just literally painted the roof white. Dropped ~10 degC during summer, no change in winter.
Seems to me that light roofs would help more during summer when there are lots of sunny days than dark roofs during winter when it's mostly cloudy.
None of this is counting infrared/UV, but reducing visible radiation is still much better than nothing.
> The results indicate that the energy savings ratios of the rooms with the sedum-tray garden roof and with the white roof were 25.0% and 20.5%, respectively, as compared with the black-roofed room, in the summer; by contrast, the energy savings ratios were −9.9% and −2.7%, respectively, in the winter.
It seems that covering the building with a green garden is better than painting the roof white, but the heating costs were higher in the winter for both designs.
I guess that changing the roof could work in climates where the winter is not too cold.
On a side note, I wonder if it would be better to work on better insulation (both roof and sidings) rather than re-roofing a house.
Note: I am not a civil engineer so I have no clue if the paper is good or not.
I suspect that the effect of this is highly location specific, both in terms of climate, as well as average insulation.
But you still often end up with some covering. Not 100%, but I think high enough to meaningfully affect the cost-benefit calculations. Not to mention large commercial buildings with flat roots.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I believe it’s the only Canadian city with that requirement.
Above the second floor it had gravel roof I think, I’m not sure what it was but it was very hot in the summer (not so much on the first floor).
After replacing it with elastomer, temperature definitely went down a little bit on the thermostat but I personally don’t feel much of a difference.
This could be because, in the morning, the sun is facing the large windows which warms the inside even more.
Anecdotal, of course. Regardless, roof had to be changed. But the AC is definitely ON when it’s 25C and above regardless of the roof type.
Since 2010, most Quebec building standards have also been updated pretty massively. I don't have references, but where I live, we had 1" insulation in the walls, and now the minimum requirement for new buildings is 1.5". Doors and windows tech have improved a lot too in the past 10-15 years. Overall, as I went through upgrades, our heating bills went down pretty significantly, but AC usage keeps going up.
From article:
That was set in two towns in Saskatchewan - Yellow Grass and Midale - back in July 1937 at a balmy 45C (113F)
Weather moves in cycles longer than human lives. You cannot rely upon personal experience, to know of local weather is truely unusual.
We are like mayflies, not realizing that winter ever exists, or even times longer than a day.
Recency bias. You judge everything by what happened most recently.
Understanding how climate change impacts weather is still very complex.
It's similar to what is done with biochar after it is produced: the biochar is ground to powder and mixed with compost before being sold to farms.
The rich don't want to give up coal because they have gotten too comfortable with their overconsumption lifestyle, and the poor can't afford to not use coal because life in poverty is worse than life with climate change consequences.
Now is the time to invest big in renewable energy research and encourage our children to participate in it, otherwise we are screwed.
Old people discovered climate change and tried to warn us.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/climate/feinstein-sunrise...
Conservatives in government don't believe in climate change and liberals in government say they believe in it right up until they actually have to do anything. The common pattern is that they're all in their 60s, 70s, and 80s and will be dead before the most dire consequences arrive.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/234314/global-warming-age-gap-y...
>The second-largest age gap comes with the belief that global warming is caused by human activities.
Denying the human nature of climate change hinders any action we can take. We need to be honest about the cause in order to work on a solution.
Another good link with similar findings:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/26/key-finding...
It's like saying that the 3 Ferraris in the city are the problem, not the million Volkswagens (or whatever).
Heck, if this helps those folks focus on the problem at hand, I'd rather have them fly private than go through the stress of flying regular (which in my view is mostly horrible).
But the inequalities were already there. It's not like if they stop flying private, they'll all of a sudden be less wealthy. At least they spend their money, instead of hoarding blindly (not that flying private changes this by much, I have to admit).
Someone indirectly advocating for such things while flying in a private jet is a pretty bad look. It reminds me of a medieval king gorging himself on food while telling the population to slim down.
It’s really easy to claim “every one should do X” but then exempt yourself from it. It just looks hypocritical.
I am generally an optimistic person, but I think we are completely and utterly screwed on climate change and I feel quite depressed and helpless about it.
You say that nuclear has killed fewer people. That's true, but this is not the main problem of Nuclear. The main problems are 1) that catastrophic events can and will happen in the future. That's why nobody wants to live next to a nuclear power plant. 2) Nuclear waste storage.
Why would even invest in nuclear power plants now that it's pretty clear that other alternatives are cheaper and safer? (I'm not saying abandon nuclear power research, there are definitey niche cases where it makes sense, like space exploration).
The chances for such events are vanishingly low when it comes to modern reactors. Seriously, as hard as it is to believe, we've come so, so far from Chernobyl. Thorium-based reactors are meltdown-proof [0], and Thorium comes with the plus in that it's not as easily weaponizable [1].
> 2) Nuclear waste storage.
Thorium reactors also produce less dangerous waste [2], which is great! They're not a panacea by any means- it is still technically possible to make weapons using Thorium reactors even if it's more difficult, and fuel is harder to prepare, but I do think the upsides greatly overcome the downsides.
Solar and wind aren't viable everywhere, which is why we need nuclear. The sooner we get over our inveterate fear of it, as difficult as it may be, the better.
[0] https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/200900...
[1] https://whatisnuclear.com/thorium.html#prolif
[2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257126696_Abundant_...
Running out of space for wind? Huh? Yes obviously we use the best places first but the entire Earth has wind, and almost every land usage can be co sited with wind towers.
Coal ash is radioactive too and people don't mind to live nearby. There is a lot of irrational in the fear of nuclear power.
The reason is simple: it's far cheaper and quicker. Fear has relatively little to do with this. You can roll out facilities with GW of capacity in under a year. The total capacity of nuclear in the US is something like 94 GW after about 7 decades of nuclear being a thing. Wind is 120 GW. 17 of that got installed last year. Over the next decade, that is likely to continue to grow to a couple of hundred GW of capacity.
In general, countries world wide are rolling out impressive amounts of wind and solar every year. Quite many countries have hit the point where it is double digit percentage of energy generation and generally the dominant form of energy.
Quite a few of these countries are actually on track to be 100% renewable powered by the mid 2030s. Some are projected to hit their targets early. Nuclear is generally not a part of those plans in most of those countries. Mostly, no new plants are being built in these countries. No plants are being planned even. And actually, no plant could feasibly be planned and built until the mid 2030s in any case given how slow and expensive building such plants is and how politically sensitive that is.
Renewables outgrow everything else by no small margin almost everywhere on this planet. All we need to do is do more of that faster and at the same time figure out storage and long distance transport (i.e. cables) of energy.
Mandating that all newbuilds and planned extensions have PV roofs and local storage would be far more realistic to meet our power requirements.
I'm all for nuclear, I'm amazed at the power density of nuclear fuel (I saw recently that a few hundred grams of plutonium contain the same amount of energy as a fully fuelled Starship), but reducing the counter-argument to "fear" is not useful. Let's try and solve the real problems instead: the cost problems, the building time problems, the nuclear waste problems and the proliferation problems. The fear and political reluctance will then go away by itself.
In parallel, we should not waste time and enforce more energy-efficient housing, mandatory remote working whenever possible, promote better transportation options than cars, connect grids together, put solar/wing/biogas/geothermal plants everywhere, find more efficient ways to ship cargo across the planet, etc.
>life in poverty is worse than life with climate change consequences
Nevertheless, let us not ignore that China is doing significant steps already. It is not enough, but it is a trend into the right direction:
- world-leading production of renewable energy with twice the output from solar, wind and water compared to the number 2, the US
- renewable sector is growing significantly faster than the fossil and nuclear sector combined
- largest manufacturer of solar/photovoltaic tech
- almost 50% of global investments into renewables are made in China
- largest electric-car market in the world
- Green Wall of China has created 4.000.000.000 tons of sustainable biomass since 2003 (increased tree cover rate in China by 15%)
Those are significant steps and must be further followed and even accelerated.
Otherwise north India has severe heatwaves
The uncomfortable truth here is that if we want to stop this, we need to stop these undeveloped countries from…well…developing. Which we aren’t going to do because we aren’t monsters. So what now?
For any given limit we wish to hold on warming, there is a total acceptable amount of CO2 emissions we can allow for the world.
Once emitted, CO2 stays in the atmosphere for a few hundred to a thousand years. Rich nations have emitted more than their fair share for a couple hundred years--that's a large part of how they got rich. Of the CO2 now in the atmosphere, over 60% came from North America and Europe and 47% from the US and the EU+UK.
Emitting more than your fair share to get rich is fine, if:
1. Once rich you use part of that wealth to switch to low or zero emissions, and
2. Either do something to take the CO2 you emitted out of the atmosphere so that there is room in the global CO2 budget for someone else to become rich the same way, or help them become rich by subsidizing them so they can skip the high emissions stage and go straight to the low/zero emissions rich stage.
The current rich nations aren't doing well on either of these.
What is saddest about all this is that a good part of these goals to cut greenhouse emissions could be met without any cost at all if we merely modified our extravagance. It has been estimated that the nation as a whole wastes about $300 billion of energy a year. We are not talking here about energy that could be saved by investing in new technologies. We are talking about energy that could be saved just by switching things off or turning things down.
Take hot water. Nearly every household in Europe has a timer device on its hot water system. Since people clearly don't need hot water when they are at work or fast asleep, there isn't any need to keep the tank heated, so the system shuts down. Here in America I don't know how to switch off my hot water tank. I don't know that it is possible. There is piping hot water in our house twenty-four hours a day, even when we are far away on vacation. Doesn't seem to make much sense.
According to U. S. News World Report, the United States must maintain the equivalent of five nuclear power plants just to power equipment and appliances that are on but not being used-lights burning in rooms that are unoccupied, computers left on when people go to lunch or home for the night, all those mute, wall-mounted TVs that flicker unwatched in the corners of bars.
In order to do that you'll need to make energy much more expensive - artificially so.
We need to look at getting our environmental footprint under control. Renewable energy may help with that in the short term, but switching to renewables at scale will also have a significant environmental footprint. Remember, climate change is the environmental issue of our generation. Prior generations had their environmental issues (ozone hole, acid rain, deforestation). Future generations will have their environmental issues, for as long as we don't take responsibility and curb our resource use.
The worst part of this is Earth is all there is for us. There is no where else to go. We are this tightly interconnected ecosystem where all beings are completely bound to one another. Our home is surrounded by darkness for millions of miles. There is no option B. There won’t be, that’s just the way it is. Mars won’t be option B. Don’t kid yourself. If we don’t right the course on greenhouse gas emissions with urgent changes to limit emissions now, then we will have lost the habitability of Earth. I can envision us having to live inside year round without being able to go outside. Does this feel so much like a remote possibility now? It seems year over year temperate days become more elusive. Fires. Droughts. Extreme weather events. Floods.
The destruction and extinction of entire ecosystems hangs in the balance of our climate. The crazy thing is we can stop this. But only with urgent individual and society actions and sacrifices now.
Is there any reason to maintain nations with changed borders? I feel it's more likely we would abolish or abandon most existing states and form refugee societies in the habitable regions
And based on what I’ve read, we’re WAY past fixing this problem. Even if CO2 emissions went to zero tomorrow, the earth will continue to warm and make vast swathes uninhabitable.
This is really not true:
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/climateqa/would-gw-s...
> Even if all emissions were to stop today, the Earth’s average surface temperature would climb another 0.6 degrees or so over the next several decades before temperatures stopped rising.
Limiting additional temperature increase to 0.6C would be a huge win. We are a WAY past not having to adapt to major changes in climate.
We're certainly not way past preventing the most catastrophic outcomes.
Unfortunately, there's absolutely zero evidence that we'll actually do anything meaningful about our CO2 emissions, so IMO we're most definitely screwed.
I think it's infinitely more likely that a nation like China will unilaterally engage in geoengineering (e.g. depositing particulates in the troposphere) than we are to actually collectively curb our CO2 emissions.
Unfortunately, there is no depth to the article. What would I like to see? First, describe what caused the heatwave. Second, describe how much more likely these heatwaves are with climate change. Third, describe how climate change will impact the severity of these heatwaves.
Even though climate models are different from weather models, I am guessing they provide enough information to provide estimates. These estimates would provide people with more concrete examples of what we can expect if we don't alter our behaviour.
If you go longer form, then you are basically asking for the slide show that Al Gore was presenting 20 years ago and was later turned into An Inconvenient Truth.
Otherwise, we'd be stuck eating krill and penguins, and I don't know how I'd feel about that. Vegetarians surely would not like that.