mariorossi666

> Now it’s stealing, but not your card, but your money has been stolen.

If you copy a secret document you steal the informations in it.

What's the difference?

> This is the first time that I said that...

many have done before you, and still doing it.

So, please stop.

It never happened.

> Yes, just because having consensual sex with a 17 and 364 days years old is illegal in some places and the law there calls it rape it does not make it rape in reality

Stallman was arguing exactly on the opposite: just because it is of legal age in some country, it doesn't make rape any less rape.

He was talking about Minsky, who he was not defending.

> can you show me your source where she says that he raped her?

Here: https://web.archive.org/web/20190502114026/https://www.aklag...

First of all, sorry, but I'm Italian and I don;t get all the nuances.

The difference between stealing and theft was unknown to me.

Secondly: no, it's not guilty until proven innocent, Manning has been proven guilty, she never denied of illegally obtaining those documents.

third: in this case Manning confessed. There's no much debate we can do about it.

fourth: no, I don't put any particular fate on courts, is just how the system works.

I'm not a sex offender until a court says so.

And after that people would say "he's a sex offender" not "the court said he's a sex offender".

Unfortunately I don't make the rules.

raping women is being a dick with women.

And this wasn't the first time he was accused of rape.

It was at least the fourth time.

So yeah, being that kind of dick to women is a crime in my book.

I don't know why you're asking me, I'm just reporting what the trial was about and what the prosecutors said.

The court ruled against Manning in favour of the prosecutors.

She was "acquitted of the most serious charge, that of aiding the enemy, for giving secrets to WikiLeaks" under the spionage act, which means treason.

If you want an explanation from me, they said that the fact that she stole classified documents regarding national security and gave them to wikileaks, which is foreign to U.S.A., is an act of treason.

The central point is that Manning never denied to taking those documents illegally, at the time she (was still a he) said she wanted to spark public debate on the matter.

> I'll take things that are not crimes being used as proof of a crime for 1000, Alex.

Rape is a crime.

> The same sadly does not happen for the intelligence community

I confess I don't know, but I imagine that if you make some mistake while working for agencies like CIA or MI5 or KGB you simply disappear, you die if you're lucky, or something worse happens to you.

> They can murder as many innocent people as they want without having to prove their usefulness.

I seriously don't think it works like that...

> It was while he was defending Minsky and he was actually arguing that sex does not magically become rape depending on the country that you do it.

No, he wasn't defending Minsky, please stop saying that!

He was arguing that the definition of rape should not change based on the country you're in, or to put it in other words: if you are 16 in Italy, you can give consent to have sex, if you are 17 years and 364 days old in U.S.A., you can't.

That shouldn't change the definition of rape.

> It's just that they agreed to have a condom on but he apparently ripped it or something and she noticed it only afterwards

That's not what she says.

I was not there, did you?

I tend not to believe to a man that has at least 4 children with 4 women and he "prefers them virgins so he can be the first one to impregnate them" when it's about using condoms.

https://gawker.com/5757325/julian-assange-has-at-least-four-...

BUT we're seriously OT here.

> It would certainly be stealing if she deleted the documents in the server afterwards, which she did not

Again, not a lawyer, not trying to counter you personally, but if someone clones my credit card and take money from it, it is stealing, even if the card is still in my pocket.

If someone use my bank's password to transfer funds to his account, it is stealing, even if my account is still in my possess.

> "The military court claims that she stole classified documents and betrayed her country that she swore to protect"

That translates to "technically she stole classified documents and betrayed her country that she swore to protect."

because that's what a court does, it establish the facts, unless we prove the court-martial framed Mannings for something she did not do.

If I'm sentenced by a court for fraud, it means I committed fraud, unless I prove the court is wrong.

Saying "the court says that X did that" and "X did that" it's the same thing.

> which is to unfairly punish whistle-blowers and give lighter punishments to war criminals

I agree it is unfair, but the military know how it is, it's not something special to Mannings's case.

I've done my reading, nowhere it was mentioned that it wasn't about the allegations of rape.

BTW, the comments guidelines state

    Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article?

We have proof that every intelligence in the world is working to undermine our freedoms, so it's easy to speculate (with some degree of certainty) that if others have their own agencies you need to have yours, to counter theirs.

I thought the news was about Sweden dropping the case of rape.

Stallman was saying the exact opposite of what you believe he said.

He was arguing that rape is rape, even if in different states they have different laws.

If you rape a girl the fact that in some country she is of legal age and in others she's not, it doesn't change the fact.

It is rape, she said no, he forced her, it is rape.

Please accept it, because it's what happened.

and yet all his worst fear have materialized now.

> . People who lost their whole family from an American drone attack however...

Will continue to care about more about feeding their family.

There is no connection between being victim and becoming a terrorist or we in Italy should be all terrorists, because in the 70s a lot of people have been killed by state terrorists.

Lookup Giorgiana Masi, for example, or Stefano Cucchi.

Their families didn't kill anybody.

They just asked for justice.

I don't know, I don't think so, but I also think that, as much as I don't like police, we can work on their brutality, their behaviour, their racism, their biases, but without police forces the situation wouldn't be much better.

> He did not rape anyone nor did anyone accused him of rape

That's false.

> He is being accused of a very specific thing which at best might be classified as sexual misconduct.

it's rape in Sweden.

I don't know why you split hairs on this simple fact.

> You can't steal online data. You can only copy it

that's stealing a document in anyone's book.

> Exposed crimes against the constitution by the government and the military to the peopl

You're arguing with me, but I agree with you, I'm simply saying that a military court said that.

That's why I said technically.

The law is all about technicalities.

Manning wore a uniform, she was subject to court-martial, and court-martial ruled against her.

I'm just reporting it.

> Which is an extremely corrupt move.

Which is what happens when you're in the armed forces and have to deal with justice.

It's the same for everyone who joins the military.

She wasn't treated in a special way.

> He always maintained he didn't face the charges in Sweden for fear of being extradited to the U.S.

Yeah... not really.

He's guilty of being a dick to women and is finally paying for it.

    According to court transcripts, Assange said he “wanted to impregnate women” and “preferred virgins because he would be the first to impregnate them”. He also reportedly told one of his alleged victims that “Sweden is a good country to have kids in”. 

    It’s unclear if Assange has engaged in this behavior with other women, but it is clear that he was fixated on, if not obsessed with, impregnating women. By the time he was accused of sexual assault, he had impregnated at least four women, all of whom gave birth to the children.

There also was the time when he tried to scare them, to make them drop charges by using wikileaks as a weapon to frame them as manipulators

    “An actual court case is going to be very, very hard for these women,” he warned. “They will be reviled forever by a large segment of the global population, so I don’t think it’s in their interest to proceed that way.”

And he also wanted to share his opinion on Sweden with the rest of the World

   “I fell into a hornets’ nest of revolutionary feminism,” Assange said in a 2010 interview during which he also described Sweden as “the Saudi Arabia of feminism”.

Imagine saying the same thing of U.S. in U.S. while accused of having raped a woman from U.S.A.

He clearly deserve what happened to him in Sweden, I don't know about the rest, but the Sweden rape case was the nail on his coffin, and he's the sole responsible for it.

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/05/02/julian-assange-is-a-misog...

> . He should not have to stand trial for that.

The Trump administration pushed the pedal on it.

And to think that Assange was scared as hell of Hillary Clinton, which actually would be a much better option for him now, imagine Hillary forgiving Assange, she had a lot to gain from it, Trump doesn't care, he just really doesn't.

> but arguing that is ignoring the fact that leaving would mean jail. > It’s victim blaming

Yeah, but the victim is the woman he raped and that will not see any justice, because he ran...

Unless it means that those attacks that the intelligence community prevented will take place.

> I'm not talking about Sweden. The charges in Sweden never mattered besides being a way for him to be extradited to the U.S.

Citation needed.

The fact that Swedes are being honest here, doesn't prove anything.

She wasn't technically a whistleblower, technically she stole classified documents and betrayed her country that she swore to protect.

The military have a different way of dealing with justice, especially in U.S.

She was in fact sentenced by court-martial not by a regular court.

> Are Nordic prisoners allowed to walk out the front door wheneever they choose?

Swedish prisons are a lot better than Embassy of Ecuador in London, if you have to live recluded, at least chose the best.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/11256813/...

> Here's the killer point: if Nordic prisons are better, why didn't Julian stay there instead?

We should ask him.

Maybe because he's paranoid?

as other have already said, Xmpp.js works quite well

If it's Javascript it's already cross platform

> Ye, which problem exactly?

communicating via XMPP in a standardized way

> All of them are solved partially

And a new protocol based on half backed technologies would change that, how exactly?

> On your platform you have a username and you are supposed to communicate with others with your username.

On any forum or BBS I've been part of in my life, I've always used a nick, that changed over time.

> Well, because XMPP standard supports nickname changing, which means in a context of a platform it would allow nickname spoofing.

That's a feature, not a bug.

In 1995 I could change my nick on IRC, in 1997 I could change my nick on ICQ, I still can change nick on Skype today (my artists friends do it on facebook all the times)

Anyway, nick spoofing on XMPP is hardly a problem and it's not an XMPP fault.

Have you ever tried to search for "someone has been impersonating me with FB messenger" on a search engine?

> "Solved problem" of course.

XMPP it's a solved problem, your chat where nick cannot be changed is your problem.

Every implementation of standard protocols requires work, HTTP is a solved problem, but edge cases still exist.

Name one standard federated protocol that could help you with that and make it simpler, please.

Because I don't know any.

> React Native - iOS JavaScript runtime + Android JSC runtime.

there are Java, Javascript and Swift libraries for XMPP

> I don't have 10 engineers. It's already super complex

The point is XMPP is a solved problem, you can simply use what you need of it, making it json over websocket won't make it anyway easier, you would use a library anyway

Creating protocols just for the sake of it, it's the reason why this comic exists https://xkcd.com/927/

p.s.: Movim, afaik, solves that problem for you

    When you use Movim, it acts as an intermediary between the user's browser and an XMPP server. All the data that is sent and received by these two parties are managed by the Movim core, some of them are also saved in a database (for cache purposes).

    From the browser perspective, all communication with Movim is done using WebSockets (except for the "default" page loading). These sockets are proxied through your web-server to the Movim daemon. On the XMPP side Movim connects using pure TCP connections (like any XMPP client).

Wow, downvoted for saying that US citizens cannot ignore the climate changes because cars are more comfortable to them...

> for working with XMPP on another platform

out of curiosity: what platform?

I think I've never seen a platform where XMPP is not supported, even AtheOS, BeOS, GNU/Hurd, PalmOS and QNX have libraries for it.

> IMO we need something simpler, websocket and JSON based

nothing is stopping you to build a layer of compatibility

Are you saying that drugs have no practical benefits?

I think what the poster wanted to say is that cars are abused, and just like any other abuse or addiction, it should be regulated.

But USA have a problem regulating dangerous stuff: gas, cars and guns.

There's a climate change coming and people in USA really are still debating if it's a "personal freedom" issue?

We are 7 billion, they are 300 millions, I think it's time they understand what good citizenship means...