ivan90210

>The measures that would work such as ...

measures that would get Russia to withdraw

>Even if Russia manages to conquer all of Ukraine, they couldn't occupy it for lack of troops.

the only if in this war is whether Ukraine surrenders before or after its cities get Second Chechen War treatment

>From my POV, that seems to be working. You say it isn't, based on what?

China. they're doing fine without the internet

>And what are successfull measures according to you?

military intervention from the US

>Ps. His children live in Europe, i doubt he'll drop bombs here.

I wish I had your certainty. I've given up trying to predict the future. I hope you're right

now, actually

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1 - there will be no Ukraine by the time any of current measures start hurting anyone other than pedestrians. the measures that would work are not being considered seriously by anyone that matters

2 - state-funded actors will still have access to the internet

3 - state agencies will still have access to the internet

4 - pedestrians will still have access to the intranet

5 - it doesn't do anything about the nukes, and as for the threat of Russian tanks rolling their way into Germany, which has been on everyone's minds for the past 8 years, well, don't you feel silly now

>I still don't get what other expectations are on the table when the western world talks about cutting Russians off the internet.

based on my observations over the last two weeks, it's unironically something along the lines of "zoomers throwing molotovs at the police over being deprived of fortnite", because the people who come up with these fantasies project their character traits upon a radically different population. something akin to expecting the Afghani to take up arms against the Taliban over that one McDonald's shutting down in Kabul.

>There is also the fact that we all thought the Russian Army was a well oiled machine of war.

that's what you've been told at the time when it was required for you to think so, in particular during Trump's presidency due to his stance on NATO.

today you are required to think that Russia is getting its ass kicked, and tomorrow you'll be required to think that Russia must be nuked or else Europe will fall, and the expert opinion will once again change to reflect that.

I suppose you don't call removal of LGBTP+ elements from the media released in Russia/China/MENA "censorship" either, just private companies exercising their rights, right?

>Making things painful for them is one way to do that.

The problem with this sentiment is that you're assuming that Russians are anything like your people.

We'll endure being deprived of Lego toys and Disney cartoons just fine.

Did you protest against your government back in 2015-2016, when half a thousand of your men, women and children got shot, blown up or smeared on the sidewalks in retaliation for two decades of your government's involvement in destabilizing countries, hundreds of thousand people dead and millions more displaced?

You didn't? Oh, was it not justified to hold your civilian population accountable for the actions of your democratically elected and re-elected leaders? Or did you just not get annoyed enough?