dickersnoodle

You're not wrong about people resenting being talked down to. I've tried to make this point to Democratic (especially progressive) activists for years and years and it's like talking to a dog that just heard a new noise. The fraction of people in the country that actually care about religious culture wars is relatively small; it's one reason why seven states passed initiatives enshrining abortion rights in their state constitutions this go-round. Voters care deeply about concrete things that affect their lives and they're not receptive to someone haranguing them to care about something else entirely.

If you want to catch a fish, you bait the hook with something the fish wants to eat instead of something you want the fish to eat.

I think so, too. He has a much more direct, down to earth way of talking to people.

>Honestly as someone who has been scrimping and saving to try to buy a home for the last 6 years, I would be somewhat annoyed if suddenly every broke first generation person is thrust to first in line for the limited housing supply we have, driving prices up further. The fact that it is specifically structured to exclude people with roots here is kind of a slap in the face -- there is no reason it shouldn't just be tied to income, so suddenly it is needlessly political

Yeah, this was my reaction to it as well. The only real way to bring down housing prices is to drastically increase the housing supply and find a way to prevent companies like Blackrock from snapping them up and leaving them empty to keep rental prices high. The "enemy within" is actually PE firms...

That explains a lot, actually.

This is very true, and it's a PITA when the corporate design team doesn't know anything about mobile design and thinks mobile apps are just "Honey, I shrunk the web app" with some Figma plugins to help. It can be an uphill battle to get them to compromise.

Less disrupting the day for who?

Yes, they should.

Same for me, and my mood is worse from having to reset when I'm thinking through a tricky architecture problem and Foghorn Leghorn in the next office is talking at the top of his lungs on speakerphone.

I'm looking forward to this going live. I've worn the "we have an app!" BLE enabled hearing aids and am currently wearing a pair of amplifiers I got on Amazon for $200 and they've lasted almost two years. AirPods Pro + this software should make it a lot easier for me to follow conversations and filter out high frequency noise (like you get when there's nothing but bare walls and ceilings and floor space). I mostly ignore the Apple-haters.

>a company that cares more about profits than the people.

Now you're on the hook for showing us a company that cares more about people than profits... and I mean actually cares where it counts, in budget and headcount and not just in gauzy HR propaganda.

>Given Android has 71% of the worldwide market share it’s difficult to make the argument Apple holds a monopoly on the smartphone market

That won't stop a hefty share of HN posters from repeating that same whinge.

I still have signed copies of some of their books that I got when I toured their offices a few years ago. They created a really good space for developers with private soundproofed offices for the extroverted sales types to yak on the phone without disturbing everyone else in the building, a large very quiet room with a library vibe where everyone had to STFU and a group room where everyone could talk.

It isn't that paradoxical. Waiting until the last minute can make a you victim of the "overhead bin space" pirates who load up the bins with stuff that should have been checked and leave you to worry about gate checking.

Oh, no. Anyway...

>This Web App support needs to die, until Apple finds a way to prevent 3rd party from digging into our personal info.

Yep. Otherwise iOS will turn into "Blade Runner" with ads everywhere you look.

Sorry, this stupid trope is everywhere on HN. Unless there are solid OS-level ways to block nefarious PWAs this would turn the iPhone into the same toxic dumpster fire that IE was back in the day w.r.t. security. How many "browser tab bars" did people get fooled into clicking on and installing? I remember, and I remember moving my family off of Windows entirely and onto Mac and Linux for this exact reason. Or do you expect companies to forego all that sweet, sweet customer tracking revenue just because they promise they will?

> ..to be totally honest with you, a lot of Safari iOS's quirks are unambiguously good, pro-privacy practices that frustrate the shit out of surveillance marketing firms and I quite hope Apple keeps it up.

So do I.

Back in the day MSFT bolted IE into the operating system to a greater degree than Apple has done with Safari - a ton of the DLL's relied on IE for a lot of UI components and IE had ActiveX that literally hosted executable content in a browser window. It's almost like they hung out a sign on every PC and Windows server that said "please p0wn this machine" and lots of the bad actors in the world came knocking.

They didn't take security seriously when they were laying down the architecture for Windows because they didn't think they had to. Apple is taking the exact opposite approach. They're fairly obsessed with security and privacy because that's one of the big selling points for the whole iOS ecosystem. They miss things because they (like us) live in the real world but they do pay a lot of attention to it and the number of updates for things like 0day defects that arrive within days of the defects being reported tells me that this continues to this day.

Apple doesn't have a monopoly. Per https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide Android has twice the market share that iOS has. The reason for all of this generated drama is found in https://www.businessofapps.com/data/app-revenues/. The key bullet points are:

"App Revenue Key Statistics

* Mobile ad spend in 2022 reached $362 billion, a 7.7% increase on the previous year * Android and iOS app consumer spending increased to $135 billion in 2023 * iOS was responsible for 66% of app consumer spending in 2023 * Games accounted for 60% of consumer app spending in 2023. Google Play contributed 41% of the total amount * Subscription revenues increased to $45.6 billion in 2023, iOS was responsible for 76% of that revenue"

The real reason for all this foolishness can be found in these bullet points. 66% of $135 billion is $89.1 billion, and lots of people would love to get a piece of that pie without dealing with Apple (who built and owns the stack). It isn't a monopoly, though, and all of that monopoly talk is misdirection.

>There was no _chokepoints_ that a single company could squeeze to further its own interests (after the collapse of IE).

Google Chrome would like a word...

It's tempting to think so, but IME users download apps to get things done more than they want to "ooh" and "aah" over an app's UI changes and I've been an app developer since 2009. It's all too easy to push out someone's pet feature (or something to buff up someone's resume for their next job) and if it's a speed-focused company it's a coin flip whether there is someone acting as the gatekeeper to keep that kind of nonsense out.

Great value to whom? The only value I've ever heard of that made any sense at all was "saves me money and lets me change things and publish them faster" and that (as other commenters have said) is a developer / manager value, not a user value.

They are not imaginary problems. And Apple's DX isn't "incredibly poor"; coding SwiftUI views with Canvas and the #Preview macro is a dream compared to farting around with Eclipse or one of it derivatives.

My point is that web development is a lot more of a moving target than iOS Native Development and it's largely because Apple makes the hardware, the software, the development tools and the languages and frameworks and they all work together. There are open source libraries in there (SQLite for the default data persistence layer) but it's all vetted and works.

I've been a web developer before (all the way back to and before the ExtJS days) and while I _can_ do it I really prefer not to. The web does not have "the best tooling out of any platform" or "the best documentation... because it's the biggest platform". The tooling tends to be all over the place (until Visual Studio Code takes over the planet... :/) and frameworks like React or Vue hide a lot of complexity that you have to dig into if something goes blooey. This is not to mention the page bloat or security holes you get when you include some handful of analytics "libraries".

One really good thing about native apps versus PWAs is that once the user installs a native app and learns the way it works they don't need to learn it again until they upgrade. With anything sourced from the web, the user is at the mercy of the wevdevs, who are at the mercy of the marketing and merchandising wizards who want to shake up the UI to try and goad users into buying more stuff. It's kind of like those round baskets that supermarkets like to clutter the aisles with; somehow they think it prompts you to buy things, but for me it adds one more product to my "no, not buying this ever again" list.

Go ahead and write "code for the web" but be prepared to have to choose among a bunch of different JS libraries and CSS design systems depending on who the CTO is for your organization and who has their ear; writing bare-metal HTML/CSS and minimal Javascript won't get you far with the C-suite and you'll be pulling your hair out trying to get things to play nicely with each other (or wind up digging through five or ten <div> layers to find a DOM element you need to augment).

>The only reason that managers require for RTO is that they want to see your face.

Turn on your webcam next time.

>Personally, I think the RTO CEOs should go cry in their soup while I eat lunch with my kids everyday.

Yup.

TBH, this doesn't seem all that different from a CEO for one company serving on the board of another company or two.

This is the sad tale of enterprise software.

> increased hostility of Apple toward native developers

Chortle.