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(argh! somehow this comment got posted into the wrong thread originally: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1790564 )

Sculley seems to be saying the following about Jobs:

- Straddles the line of micromanagement vs. personal communication with workers. (Interested in every detail of the process.)

- Acknowledged all workers (memorized first names of Mac team).

- Directly communicated with all workers. Example was telling developer that their code isn't good enough.

- Is a perfectionist.

- Kept teams small (Mac team limited to 100) and fired people if needed new talent on the team to keep team to that size (enforced accountability).

- Hired well.

- Focused on simplification.

- Got rid of the bad.

WTF- this is not the thread I posted to, I swear. I'm sorry.

Ugh. I for one am sick of the discussions of whether to use maven or ivy, etc. in a Java project. Just as old is the conversation about whether the project should be an Apache project. The ant (later: ant+ivy) vs. maven thing and whether a (major) project should go into Apache has been ongoing since the early 2000s in one project or another.

It is interesting in relation to Voldemort, but egads... this is one of the reasons I'm glad to sneak away into Ruby, etc. a good bit.

Sculley seems to be saying the following about Jobs:

- Straddles the line of micromanagement vs. personal communication with workers. (Interested in every detail of the process.)

- Acknowledged all workers (memorized first names of Mac team).

- Directly communicated with all workers. Example was telling developer that their code isn't good enough.

- Is a perfectionist.

- Kept teams small (Mac team limited to 100) and fired people if needed new talent on the team to keep team to that size (enforced accountability).

- Hired well.

- Focused on simplification.

- Got rid of the bad.

There is a direct relationship between uncertainty about the economy and the problem of finding/retaining talent for startups and small businesses.

The current U.S. government's "tax the rich" attitude can't be helping small business, either. It just adds to the uncertainty.

Some have been running for cover, but some of us are running against the crowd.

I can't imagine this being cost effective, but I like it anyway.

The pronounced acronym is appropriate for academia. It contains both words that come to mind.

I think the points were:

- The original logo was broken, just not nearly as broken as the new one. So the decision to change the logo wasn't bad- the new logo was.

- They appear to be having some style issues (not meeting customer expectations more recently). I didn't see any backing data for this or for the fact that people are now spending more than they did. In fact, I'd bet that people are still fairly cheap currently, due to the economy, which has not turned around.

- They appear to be having some brand/marketing leadership issues (e.g. telling customers that they might change logo background to red for "Holiday" after saying they'd switch the logo back to the original, obviously trying to get feedback on whether that was a bad idea also, right after customers said they didn't want a logo change).

- Paying attention to social media and switching the logo back was a smart move, because of those that knew of the logo switch, more than half said it would or might influence their decision to buy Gap products (in a bad way I assume, but that wasn't defined).

Don't fail to consider the screen type if getting a macbook/macbook pro:

http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-202306.html

And the magsafe power adapter can get stuff caught up in it easily, so consider something to guard it (even just a piece of tape might help):

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1314018

Could you provide an example?

Shhh! Nasa was all excited.

I will be surprised if it is a good investment, but... go Google!

$5B would just be a drop in the bucket to take on something like that, I'd imagine.

Good idea! If it helps, I liked this site- maybe it might give you some ideas for things you could add:

http://www.peacecorpswriters.org/pages/depts/resources/resou...

That reminds me of another reason I drink- atheists.

I drink because it helps me relax and stop thinking about what the idiots at work and in our government have done to my life.

From what I've understood, Sun didn't license everything to IBM (or for that matter, to others as you stated). Charles Nutter had a great post (and it has been updated) on the Oracle suit against Google where he talks about some of the wild claims that Oracle was making:

http://blog.headius.com/2010/08/my-thoughts-on-oracle-v-goog...

My point is that no rational company would attack its own base. Oracle had some wild claims. These will be toned down and they will come to an agreement. Things will move on.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't pay attention to Oracle's antics (even though I just consider Oracle a whining child at this point), but I think this whole thing is overblown.

Look nice but:

- Needs to have a search (that lists sections found, lets you skip between finds, etc.)

- Needs index, even though tabs are nice

- scrollbar in middle of page != friendly (use vertical space in page and page scroll)

Oracle can't and won't kill the platform.

They are certainly doing harm to Java, but Oracle hasn't sued IBM yet over this and there is quite a bit Oracle would go after if it were truly intent on killing the JVM:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Java_virtual_machines

I don't think that anyone is questioning anyone looking into using other languages. I even suggested Ruby myself.

It might be a dark age for Oracle sponsoring Java Community Process development, but some of the JSRs have been crap. If development of new JSRs slows to a crawl, so be it. A wealth of Java, Ruby, Python, etc. projects have evolved without being attached to a bureaucratic standards committee.

"do you think that there will be many new ones?"

Yes, I think there will continue to be some new projects, and other projects will fall off. Apache isn't the end-all be-all of Java projects, however.

Several of the larger newer projects were under SpringSource's wing, and there continue to be new projects there. And there's Codehaus. And some Java projects under GitHub, Java.net, SourceForge, etc. Then there's Groovy, Grails, and related projects. JRuby (formerly at Sun, now at EngineYard) is Ruby, but it allows some reuse of other Java projects. Android (like the author states) is a subset of Java, so all of those Android app projects. Kindle's KDK is Java. Your cable box may even run on Java.

If you've been only looking at Apache for Java growth, you've been looking in the wrong place.

"Or how many existing projects will have any significant effort put behind them?"

The Java projects at Apache have had continued effort put behind them, but some of the people that would have put effort towards Apache projects have spread out into some of the places I mentioned.

"If Java at Apache flounders, the platform as a whole will also diminish."

That's BS. If Apache fell on its ass, Java would still survive. See all of the other projects I mentioned, plus all of the current Java jobs I mentioned.

Where "Java" itself isn't the new hot thing, Java is dominant, and things using/requiring Java are hot, for example- look at this Google trends of Java vs. Android to see what I mean:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=java%2C+android

I think the author is just taking advantage of Java's name having been drug through the mud by Oracle to push his point-of-view.

Many of Apache's projects are Java-based, and I don't seem them making any effort to port all of them over into a different language.

Though Oracle stunk up JavaOne this year, and the lawsuit against Google is making Oracle look like a supreme ass, companies like IBM, RedHat, SpringSource, and many, many others have a significant investment in Java.

Java has been and will continue to be close to the top of Paul's heap in terms of jobs for the foreseeable future:

http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=java%2C+Python%2C+Javascri...

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=java

However, I would be the first to say that if you are looking to the future, explore dynamic and functional programming languages. If I had to pick one right now, I'd lean toward Ruby, not because it is the most well adopted (and for goodness sakes, it has had enough time to be), but because the language itself is great, and it has a growing and thriving community.

But Java is not dead yet, and it is far from a trap.

Sounds like something that would be a parody of of a geek store in a sitcom or movie.

So good if that's what you are looking for. Meh otherwise.

Questions:

- How much money was wasted?

- Did tons of newly printed tags on clothes need to be manually removed and retagged?

- Who was responsible for the creation of the new logo and who made the decision to use it?

I wish this could be done server-side.

In Rails maybe you could put all of your images in one directory, as an initializer or on demand it would create a sprite image, and it could automatically handle the rest as well.

If the phrase is altered, short and generic like "There's an app"(no-tm) rather than "There's an app for that"(tm), I don't see why it wouldn't work. I didn't see anything in the article about "There's an app"(no-tm), only "There's an app for that"(tm).

broad topic/community. Vandalized might have been too strong a word. Just mean that the broader the topic and community, the more likely it is to attract spam, ridiculous posts, etc. and for your case, ridiculous voting.

I wouldn't say that HN is necessarily all that narrow of a topic (it is somewhat open, even though it is primarily tech entrepreneurs), but the community is more narrow.

Original here: http://hackfwd.com/

Limit the reward for voting badly and increase the chance that you'll get publicly and anonymously hand-slapped.

On HN and StackOverflow:

1. These are not places that non-techs would tend to frequent, and they mostly evolved into more serious areas, unlike Slashdot, which gave points for "funny", etc.

2. People are typically serious enough to self-regulate or community-regulate via negative voting.

So, I'd not provide points for funny, and I'd cut off editing and negative voting early after the post (like HN), as continuous negative voting is demoralizing.

One more thing: general forums are more likely to get vandalized.

Just use: "There's an app." It's much shorter.

May not help, but based on this (even though it is a few years old): http://stackoverflow.com/questions/193896/whats-a-good-c-dec...

You may want to look at joining up with these guys (this looks fairly interesting): http://boomerang.sourceforge.net/

Or these guys: http://www.hex-rays.com/decompiler.shtml

(btw- I am more into Java decompiling (as a user). For Java, I've used Jad but it looks like there are a few others: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31353/is-jad-the-best-jav... and a number of people like JD: http://java.decompiler.free.fr/ )

First impressions. Please take with a grain of salt:

* I can see some market for this, but I have a strong feeling you've burned through a good bit of funds and may not see much come out of it immediately (like 3-7 years).

* Trainers will most likely provide sheets on what to do via printed sheets to their patients. This is cost effective and much easier than even logging in to a site and entering a patient's email address.

* To me you are not answering the question of how you are really making a trainer's life easier via this site until the demo is viewed. You need to have that front and center in the top of the page, not a big picture of a laptop with hard to read writing. Just the fact that it is online, does SMS (?), and email, is not describing the need or how it fills it.

* Could you pivot to aim the site at health insurance companies or others that might want to actually replace the trainer and provide physical training online? For example, there have to be some people that need rehab in hard to reach places. Maybe you could provide trainers via webcam that could interact with these patients. It wouldn't necessarily be that scalable, but it might get you more business than you would have had otherwise.

You can spend time getting the link to your site out in various blogs by posting them yourselves in forums, etc. like others mentioned. But, I'd address these questions asap.