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I hope Qualcomm wins and wins its countersuits too.

I've been saying now for a while Bluesky is going to win, and it's easy to predict why. Mastodon has the completely wrong approach, its features are certainly interesting but the whole problem with it is most people are having trouble figuring out how it works and while they've produced a lot of content to help people figure things out they've forgotten it's supposed to be intuitive for most people. Bluesky has the same federated features, but it was smart enough to hide it under an intuitive and by now Familiar UI/UX. It's really not a good sign that there's increasing amounts of educational content explaining how to use Mastadon, it means they don't get the desperate need to simplify it so anyone can use it, ya'll who berated me that Simplicity is it's own form of Genius had a point. I might not like that point but, It's why Bluesky is going to win this fight.

They won't even let me pay them the 20k-30k even after I made it clear that it might take me awhile to save it up, but I could feasibly do it.

i'm in oregon and those assholes won't provide fiber to the home to my neighborhood on the far western edge of the metro area out near forest grove.

I'm going to go with as a rule if they can't read books they're not elite. Period.

More and more TV shows these days are realistic as FUCK And inspired by reality. The Wire Especially

Reminder when the youth take power the first thing we should do at this point is fully repeal the DMCA.

Wyden needs to filibuster this. Come on obstruction babeh.

Like yeah, they're right there is no bolding and italics on IRC, that's part of why it is great.

Why either, when I first went online bandwidth sucks, it still sucks even in the United States today only it sucks more upstream, especially, when in the world of file sharing, everyone hates a leach.

Given that, Rich text support is not wanted. I would however like to be able to Share VIDEO Over RCS that's not so tiny.

Rich text might not take much bandwidth, but I'm focused right now on removing and DNS sink holing all unwanted packets. Tracking, adverts, etc.

So the little bandwidth it takes, yeah sure, but multiply that with everything else that's eating it, and it's another leak to remove.

More "basic formatting features (bold, italic)"

No, thanks. If Discord were, you know, open source, The way I compiled it would strip those options out as well as any edits to pure ASCII Smileys.

Based on should be, that IRC can be extended, if users want to. They can have the features they want, but with discord, if I don't, I'm just along for the ride they provide.

I'm just going to say it, at this point given the way these talks have gone, but Discord is a vague amorphous blob of binary code that cannot be meaningfully forked to strip out and remove unwanted functionality should the end user not share the preferences of those who populate its servers, the appeal of something like IRC being based on extensions that can be added or removed at will at the IRCD level is that in essence, It's left up to the admins to pick and choose what features their users get access to. If you don't like this, you can always create your own IRCD and configure it differently. The frustration as a Gentooist that I feel towards Discord could be summarized as That's nice that people prefer things like code snippets and the photos displaying by default but if I did not share these people's preferences I would have no means of actually stripping out this unwanted functionality from it, which is also as it turns out the appeal for me of compiling my own binaries in that GCC can be configured in such a manner that functions that you lack the hardware to support or simply realize you will never actually use can literally be stripped out of the resulting binaries, but with Discords closed source Proprietary nature if these end users had radically different preferences than I did I would not be able to meaningful with their platform opt out of being dragged along into implementing features I actually didn't want, simply because they increased the resource drain and load on my system.

These kinds of things make loathe closed source for the simple fact that with a black box you are left in a situation where, like I said, if most of the users want a feature, but you don't because it would be too demanding on your computer, you're fucked. You cannot meaningful opt out of it being implemented we can't, you know, fork a discord lite. Because of how this works.

And? IRC offers me the lack of bloat I prefer, it lacks the features they want, but I specifically want to merely be modules and plugins that you can opt out of if you don't want the overhead of having to bother with them. It also offers me access to the bots that enable me to get out in front and join the BitTorrent swarm early so that I actually build ratio on private bit torrent trackers. The whole problem with discord's approach is that if I disagree with the preferences of these users, I cannot meaningfully opt out. Discord is just one big blob of features and if you want to strip out unwanted ones you can't because it's a complete package.

What if I told you, that I have no interest in addressing the needs of today? Because I feel the whole smartphone revolution was a mistake, and we'd be better off chucking ours all into a river and calling it a day.

I get wanting mobility, I don't get wanting to scale things down to the point where it fits in a single hand, especially because, the smartphone manufactures seem to not want to allow the same kind of freedom and flexibility available on the PC to their smartphones. The "Smart" part of a "Smartphone" makes them in fact mini tablet personal computers, and that they don't offer the kind of control only a PC does to their end user, is unforgivable. It's a shame, the world favors convenience over freedom.

Lol. These discussions are often with people who don't know shit. Like fair point.

Hahahaha, the lack of features is a feature. All that shit is bloat, no thank you.

Which frustrates us oldies because that polish is literally all it is. Even images are as simple as loading the image someone links in chat in the browser.

Firstly, IRC is not a Product anyone is trying to sell, I am an IRC evangelist, advocating for an old but adequate technology that can be configured to add the functions that people demand. IRC is not a Product, we are not salesmen, we are Enthusiast. This distinction is meaningful enough to merit pointing out. Do you think when I came to IRC, I didn't notice that the UX was actually rather ugly?

It was readily apparent to me, I simply felt other things were more important. It wasn't the priority.

The same is true of money, being able to take part in the gift economy of the hacker under world is of more value to me than money.

People don't know a lot about IRC so they don't see it's value.

"The users have all left." the comment reminds me of the way people are when I talk about how badly I want Terrestrial radio to die in a fire.

"People still listen to terrestrial radio?"

Sadly, yes.

There's a new crop pf users today. Depends on the network, depends on the server.

Some of these people are like me, they felt the world was full of possibly back in 2000, they just want the feeling back.

Mind you, some of us know our old uncle that says the good old days were better is full of shit, and has just you know, failed to remember the bad parts of the past. and prefers to only think about the good.

But I started using myself back in like late 1999 to get mp3s before Napster was around, and I'm not like boasting about warez like I'm still 13 I'm actually just matter of fact about it these days like shrug.

Like I don't really think it makes me cooler than anyone else or better or anything, I just- I'm an honest broker.

I do feel an affection for things like the old humorist logs that wwent on bash and everything. the past wasn't better, different, in a lot of ways worse.

but not better.

I Don't. I barely use my smartphone and Heavily prefer my fully featured laptop.

https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory

Plus, again, IT's not necessary to rent a VPS. IrcV3 has a module for backlogging. You just have to actually plug it in and use it.

https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory plus backlogging, I do appreciate that it's a module and not, you know, Standard.

Um if you need backlogging, as I noted, a Bouncer will provide. if they don't provide it for free hosting this on something like a digital ocean droplet can implement it, but then again, it can get expensive.

https://github.com/znc/znc

"Back in the day, I ended up IP banned from the whole of free node because my internet connection was flaky while I was away, and I ended up banned for spamming join/quit messages. "

Ouch. I feel you there. Intermittent connectivity can truly suck. I've had issues like that before.

I try not to connect to IRC in situations like that. but these issues can often be resolved with a Bouncer.

like, I was beginning to wonder why you were saying what you said.

I was going to be like what do you need logging or such? I honestly prefer the logging situation on IRC. People will expect you to read the entire backlog on discord.

Discord is indeed free of cost which could save enterprises money I suppose. The ocst of maintaining a BNC for networks that don't offer it for free can get high. Running ZNC was beginning to cause hash ocean to ask me for over 100 a month.

But Rizon and the networks I use most frequently run their own free of cost that provides permannence so you get your backlog.

I find it highly sus, what you're saying, in that I don't think these people are as dumb, as they want to trick us all into thinknig they are, they pretend, to have a helpelessn and a disability, that they do not truly have, in ordre to give themselves and an excuse not to, it's learned helplessness, it's not genuine incapability.

Why waste time redeveloping the wheel when what we should be doing is modernizing IRC to bring it into the 2020s and adapting what we already have and know works into something more familiar to these n00bs?

Every "problem" the IRC protocol faces, including UX, can be fixed.

"UX, usability, and accessibility all matter."

Alright. https://www.irccloud.com/ fixd.

Further, even if it were the case, it's the fault of android and Apple developers for having failed to implement a client for mobile. An issue that could and ought to be resolved.