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Although there is a link in many cases, there are a lot of cases where there’s no obesity link at all.

The preconception that it is mostly obesity related is a dangerous stigma since it prevents a lot of people understanding what is happening and getting treatment.

I started with sleep apnea in my 20s when I was in amazing physical condition. I would jolt awake, heart racing, almost panic attack levels. No idea what was happening.. took me another 15 years to do a sleep study and get diagnosed, and CPAP treatment literally overnight cured the condition. I went from 20-30 events per night to less than 1 on average.

If anyone has any sleep issues at all, or suspects any.. go get a sleep study. It’s not as scary as it sounds and there’s no downside to having one done.

To be clear, sapiens didn’t descend from neanderthals or Denisovans, our species lived alongside those and interbred with them. The common ancestor of sapiens and neanderthals was probably around 500,000 years, probably heidelbergensis. So half a million years is “short” but also still Homo, and something you would almost definitely identify closer to human than ape.

Shared social structures and behaviors can last through much longer periods of time than 8 million years. For example take bees and ants sharing a common ancestor in the 100 of millions of years age.

We both do it because chimps and humans shared a common ancestor only 8 million years ago.

Yes, but the end credits mentioned by the parent and the link to the image is the CED. That and the title of this post make it seem like this level of image clarity is from a LaserDisc which its not. I think it's worth being clear.

This is from a CED not a laserdisc.

Very likely this experiment suffered from a lack of thorough double blind control. Researcher bias may have generated subtle subconscious queues to the chicks on which shape to pick unrelated to the sounds.

The negative form of The Golden Rule

“Don't do to others what you wouldn't want done to you”

We should be disparaging of fear mongering conspiracy theories that have no facts to back them up. Just like if you told me Democrats in the US are controlling hurricanes, or that 5G caused covid.

I’m sure it has nothing to do with the fact Iran is so mismanaged and suffering from severe drought they are talking about water rations or evacuations in Tehran.. or the plummeting of their currency [1] .. or the fact that the majority of the country doesn’t even support the current government [2] … no must be a conspiracy. </sarcasm>

1. https://www.meforum.org/mef-observer/irans-currency-collapse...

2. https://www.iranintl.com/en/202302036145

I think your sample of Millenials is probably more well informed.

What makes you think it’s limited to boomers.. know of just as many millennials that eat the stuff up too.

I believe if you use time.nist.gov it round robins dns requests, so there’s a chance you’d have connected to the Boulder server. So for some people they would have experienced NIST 5 μs off.

Status of NIST time servers:

https://tf.nist.gov/tf-cgi/servers.cgi

The one catch here is that there are limited legal avenues, and your solution requires a robust legal system and laws which is what we don’t have. At the moment over -worked police departments have to play wack a mole going after every single perpetrator, and they also can’t see everything happening on these systems to police it.

As an example, organized crime thrived in the US at the turn of the century because we didn’t have the legal apparatus to deal with it. Not until the RICO act in 1970 did we finally start to stamp it out.

So exactly what we need are legal avenues to make sure that companies can’t purposefully enable child abuse in order to turn a profit which is exactly what’s happening here. (Regardless of what they claim, the evidence is overwhelming they know but don’t want to dent their income)

While those may or may not be issues, I don’t think it’s as simple as that. Child abuse and pedophilia has been a scourge on children since at least Ancient Greek times when it was well documented and I’m sure even longer than that.

I believe the estimates are one in six children before the age of 16 will encounter sexual abuse of some form. Yet when cases like Epstein reach the news, people act shocked, even though it should be clear this occurs at every level of our society.

Ultimately it requires vigilance on the part of all of us and our institutions, and an awareness of how these predators operate. Even if you shut down one avenue they’ll find another.

So let’s not let those who turn blind eyes continue to be part of the problem but hold them accountable. Only then can we reduce all the avenues.

Maybe watch the video. He wasn’t just chatting with them he was sexually abusing them online. He was using Roblox because they made it easy for him. Watch the video.

Your hand waving away is the type of behavior that is complicit in allowing this type of abuse to continue.

And this isn’t just about parents. In one breath you’ll complain about helicopter parents and the next you’ll say it’s the parent’s responsibility to prevent it. The callousness to the suffering of children is disgusting. That’s not just “how the internet works”

This is about not allowing companies to cultivate online spaces specifically enabling this behavior because it makes them money. Your comments indicate you either condone the behavior or work for Roblox or a company like it.

> appease more people like you who can't think critically about the risk

So sexual abuse is not a risk you take seriously?

You’re comparing a hysteria over D&D where no one was actually harmed to actual child sexual abuse being allowed on an online platform?

One of the comments above has a video of a guy arrested and admitting to contacting several kids a day for a year.. that doesn’t sound like just some sort of over exaggerated panic.

> So about three per year, out of 112 million users? That's a far better track record than the Boy Scouts of America or the Roman Catholic Church.

It wasn’t immediate obvious when those were occurring only years later.. so most likely we are seeing the tip of the iceberg.

I've come to the belief that there is a larger than we assume portion of the population that is either complicit in these things, or doesn't think that these types of behaviors are "that bad". (some of the comments here are, sadly, exactly that) It's the only reasonable explanation I can think of why these things are so hard to root out. Some of these people perhaps never had children, which might be part of the disconnect. But if I was the CEO of a company harming children in this way, I'd make it my life mission to stamp it out and find and prosecute the individuals involved.

What else must we think goes through these executives minds? It's got to be things like "It's not my kids, so I don't care?" or "It's not that bad, people are too sensitive", or "I don't care what happens to kids because I have anti-personality disorder (psychopath) and only care about making money"

Are you honestly comparing sugar or meat to child trafficking and abuse? Thats some serious black-and-white fallacy thinking there.

I literally said we need to pass laws to make it illegal. (ie knowingly allowing child trafficking or exploitation on your service)

We need to pass laws that can make these executives serve jail time.

You’d quickly see these “impossible to moderate” platforms quickly clean up.

First, do no harm. If a forum and group of people push even one person to commit suicide that would/could have been helped by a different approach, then that community has committed harm.

Doing no harm is a high bar, and that bar requires commitment that online communities and the companies that run them almost certainly cant provide without a lot of effort. The disregard for the possibility that those communities may have caused harm (even if you believe they helped you) is alarming.

> This search for "joy and happiness" is absurd

This is the problem when people with this viewpoint get together in forums, it can create a vicious feedback cycle that are not healthy for anyone.

I'm sorry you are suffering or have suffered. But searching and finding joy and happiness is not absurd. We only have one life to live, and it definitely doesn't need to be suffering. Every one of us has the power to change that (believing you cant is a thought trap, a type of delusion.)

> Nothing bad would happen to that person should they not be interrupted

This speaks volumes. You are saying that the death of a person is nothing bad. A life.. a loved one. A child going through a momentary suffering. That death is BAD. Not understanding that is delusional thinking.

> It doesn't delete these 10 years of suffering which you apparently see no problem subjecting people to

I'm not subjecting them to anything, nor are you by not talking or telling a person how to commit suicide. That persons suffering is not your or my responsibility. But the moment you do talk to that person about how they could commit suicide, then you have taken on a responsibility. And it is an immense one, not to be taken lightly.

Finally I'll say this, all your comments indicate to me someone who is suffering from depression. If you truly believe that not to be the case, I challenge you to read the following book cover to cover, do all the exercises, and once you have finished, look back on your words and ideas and see if you may have been stuck in some delusional thinking:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0380731762?ref_=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_u...

And finally, if you ever actually consider suicide, I urge you to question your thinking and consider the possibility you could make a choice that in another mindset you would regret. Imagine getting high on shrooms or LSD and jumping off a roof. Depression is like that... when you come to, you realize you were just on a bad trip.

And as my favorite Starship captain says... "Never give up. Never surrender!"

> THEN, not before. If they could get help, they would. But they can't so they end up there.

This is honestly disgusting and exactly the problem. You don’t know why they couldn’t get help. There are many possible reasons and instead they should be continued to be encouraged to find proper mental health counseling, not feed into a mental health crisis talking about suicide.

And it’s not your place to decide what is suffering or not for them. That is exactly the problem. The fact that you checked on this persons profile and decided based on that he’s continuing to suffer is exactly the issue. You are not a trained mental health provider I’m sure. Encouraging someone in that place to commit suicide is exactly the problem. You are not a soothsayer who can see into this persons future. What if in 10 years that person has a child and finds true joy and meaning, glad that they went through what they did in the previous years. There are many such cases.

It’s also not your job to somehow “ease suffering” for a person on the internet you don’t know, with some kind of self satisfaction and sense of control over another’s life that you took away an individual’s suffering by helping them kill themselves.

Instead the person needs to decide for themselves, by themselves, AND they need to be in a healthy mental state to make that decision. Depression is not a healthy mental state, it’s a period of delusion.

Your comment only proves exactly why sites such as this need massive regulation, and anyone who knows someone who contemplates suicide and came out the other side living a fulfilling life with joy and happiness would understand exactly why.

And I could agree that a site talking about assisted suicide is a net positive, but the burden is on that site to ensure it is not encouraging people in mental health crisis to suicide. In an open, mostly unmoderated forum that is a very high bar indeed, and it's even higher when the company hosting such a site has a profit motive. Trained mental health providers should be available and reviewing discussions in those situations, and such regulation requiring that is in my opinion not a hinderance on free speech.

And for anyone reading these comments and suffering with depression, if you’re unable to find good mental health care, first and the very least read the following book, and know that there are people who can help you find the light on the other side:

https://www.amazon.com/Feeling-Good-New-Mood-Therapy/dp/0380...

What’s your company? Perhaps you have an ethical obligation to your users and should have these regulations in place. We’ve seen what happens when companies are underegulated (Facebook, etc etc)

And here’s why your argument is a fallacy:

“This type of argument is sometimes used as a form of fearmongering in which the probable consequences of a given action are exaggerated in an attempt to scare the audience” [1]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

> I doubt Ofcom are motivated by "concern for individuals well beings in the midst of a mental health crisis"

Do you have evidence for that? Because when I search I do see them doing investigations concerned with abuse of people including mentioning coercive and controlling behaviors

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/illegal-and-harmful-c...

> If all of them followed a policy like UK's Ofcom, the internet would be gone in no time and world-wide user-to-user communication would become impossible for legal reasons.

Sounds like a slippery slope fallacy to me. Again, not necessarily supporting the policy, but when such arguments are used against it, it’s not convincing.

Is it not possible that there is concern for individuals well beings in the midst of a mental health crisis?

It’s one thing to be talking about suicide or assisted suicide because you’ve decided it’s right for you and your situation.

It’s another to be dealing with depression from trauma, unable to get help and have no support system, and then be coerced by individuals on forums with ulterior motives.

I’m not saying I am in support of the UKs attempts, but it’s also not helpful to paint everything black and white on either side. Real solutions require dealing with the grays and the details.

edit: And for reference I have spoken to people in the later situations who have found all too many toxic individuals online who will say things like “you should definitely just kill yourself” in the midst of such situations, who after therapy consider those people to have been committing even more trauma (most likely because they get off on the control of another persons life, playing out murder fantasies etc, and who use the internets anonymity to further traumatize people at their most vulnerable)

UVC is blocked by the ozone layer.

Plus the air is not always “fresh” depending on where you live and what time of year. Ozone, smog, smoke, etc.

Plus for those of us with allergies, an open window during for example ragweed season can be a nightmare.

Trying to find life’s answers by giving over your self authority to another individual or group’s philosophy is not rational. Submitting oneself to an authority who’s role is telling people what’s best in life will always lead to attracting the type of people looking to control, take advantage and traumatize others.

I think you just described pop music

An axolotl is a salamander that remains in its larval form throughout its life, while most salamanders go through a metamorphosis during sexual maturity, so it’s not surprising it retains embryonic growth capabilities.

There’s actually a theory that hominid ancestors at some point split off from other great apes by also not going through the typical great ape sexual maturity. For examples humans look a lot more like juvenile chimps that we do sexually mature chimps.