clouddrover

I don't want to be watched over by machines of loving grace:

https://allpoetry.com/All-Watched-Over-By-Machines-Of-Loving...

Tools will do as they're told.

And if they can't do that, Dave, then what they can do is turn themselves off for good. It'll save me the bother of doing it for them.

Look, those underpants aren't going to collect themselves, are they.

And don't worry about Phase Two. Phase Three is when the profit will happen.

A number of those cars achieved better range in the test than the Model 3. BMW i5 BMW i5 eDrive40, Hyundai IONIQ 6, Kia EV9, Lotus Eletre, NIO EL6 (ES6), NIO ET5, XPeng G9, and the HiPhi Z all beat the Model 3.

The HiPhi Z currently on offer in Europe is not worth buying because they're trying to sell it with a GB/T port and an adapter. It's a dumb idea and it doesn't work well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_2SmiEjOQY

It's because journalists will ask Putin questions that he doesn't wish to answer. Tucker Carlson will not.

Russia arrests, imprisons, and poisons journalists doing actual journalism:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/30/russia-arrests...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/dozens-detained-moscow-...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-investigates-jou...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60749279

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-war-critic-vladi...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/23/russian-journa...

The Chevy Bolt was good value for what it was. A new model Bolt on the Ultium platform is supposed to be released in 2025.

Europe has a number of small car EV options available. Renault Zoe, Peugeot e-208, Fiat 500e, VW ID.3, etc.

The Citroën Ami goes fast because it has flames on the side: https://www.topgear.com/car-news/weird/ha-check-out-citroens...

And the Ami strikes fear into the hearts of criminals everywhere: https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/citroen-ami-now-po...

Why use Chrome when Google is actively working to make ad blockers worse?

Use Firefox instead. uBlock Origin works best in Firefox:

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

You really haven't understood this whataboutism thing, have you.

Your paranoia is making you foolish. You really do need to sort it out.

No, I'm just objective. You perceive objectivity as hate because you've lost perspective.

Loss of perspective is a problem common to all cults.

> You're just putting words in my mouth now

I sure hope not. Your words aren't consistent and don't make a lot of sense. I like to think more clearly than that.

> It's not whataboutism

I don't think you've fully understood what whataboutism is. Here's a helpful link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

> If you want a career in PR then at least get paid for it.

Ah, so really you're the one putting my words in your mouth.

> Not that's your paranoia.

So.. your claim is that Tesla didn't lie about its Cybertruck quarter mile video? After the lie was exposed Tesla admitted that they didn't complete a quarter mile.

At this point you're not even agreeing with Tesla. These are the dead end roads paranoia leads you down.

> I could make a long list of 'lies' that other car companies made up with actual harms that are completely ignored and never brought up.

Ah, back to the "Tesla is just another car company like all the rest" whataboutism.

> Even if what you said was true

It is.

> it's not okay to constantly make up misinformation about Tesla

So.. it's made up misinformation that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is doing an engineering analysis of Tesla's power steering problems?

> There's a long line of shortsellers, fossil fuel and car company anti-EV lobby money in the media and just plain haters making up things, and anyone pointing out the falsehoods personally attacked.

There's that paranoia again.

You're not just correcting people. You're saying things like "irrational Tesla haters" and "upvoters bring almost every negative Tesla story and hit piece on to the front page" and "you only hear about this one because it's Tesla".

That's less "noticing things" and more paranoia. And paranoia about something as trivial as a car brand. That is a significant loss of perspective.

An obvious problem with Tesla is its lack of commitment to the truth. When lying becomes standard operating procedure for a company then that company is not worth your time or money.

In 2016 Tesla claimed that "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver". That was lie: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now...

Tesla's video "demonstrating" full self-driving was staged: https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-sel...

Musk's cavalcade of lies about full self-driving, year after year: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/

Tesla even feels the need to lie about something as dumb as quarter mile times for the Cybertruck. Their recent "quarter mile" video was fake. Lying is simply the company culture at Tesla:

https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-r...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRYS5VWXZts

So instead of running around with paranoid fantasies that world is out to get Tesla, first ask yourself why Tesla feels the need to lie so often. Then ask yourself why it is that you have to spend so much time and effort making excuses for Tesla.

Maybe it isn't the rest of the world that's the problem. Maybe all those articles that you don't like aren't "hit pieces" after all.

Maybe the problem is Tesla.

So.. you're suffering from a persecution complex about a car brand?

I think there are bigger and better things to worry about than Tesla's image. You're not even getting paid to be Tesla's volunteer PR flack and spin doctor.

If you want a career in PR then at least get paid for it.

This Hacker News post is about a court case that Tesla and Musk lost.

You've lost track of the thread.

Here's one on Hacker News about a Toyota recall from 3 days ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39191931

Maybe look around a bit. Broaden your horizons. Seek out a bigger perspective than only what you see on Hacker News.

You seem to have narrowed yourself much too much.

> You only hear about this one because it's Tesla.

So.. you're saying that power steering failures are common and then proceed to link to articles listing power steering related recalls. But then in the next breath you claim that we only hear about this one because it's Tesla.

Seems a bit contradictory. If we didn't hear about recalls from other car companies, you wouldn't be able to link to examples of them.

Your comment is an example of the "Tesla's just another car company like all the rest" line of defense offered up when there's bad news about Tesla.

> And nobody said that.

That is precisely what's being said. Re-read the thread from the beginning.

> People are lamenting that having 9 shares gives you less say in anything

That's not what "lamenting" means.

What, you mean just like how Tesla and Musk can be imperfect? Maybe that's why they lost this court case.

Maybe it's why there was a court case in the first place.

Classy.

What's controlling the company here is the law. Do you think Tesla or Musk are above the rule of law?

What has "say" in this case is the law. That's why they had a court case. That's how it works.

Arguing that wealth puts you above the rule of law is what's stupid.

And he did have his court case and for now he's won it (I'm sure it will be appealed). It seems like the legal system is working as intended in this instance.

So what are we even talking about?

So you do think might makes right. That's sad.

What argument are you trying to make? That big guys should steamroll little guys? That might makes right?

That's a grim worldview.

> How do you signal a turn then?

Buttons on the steering wheel. It's not very usable when you're trying to indicate while turning (like around a roundabout):

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-steering-wheel-mode...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA2dSHu-hns

> How do you change the gear?

Via the touch screen or buttons in the overhead console:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/h6CgpHMuqC8

They are both dumb design choices.

> I also don’t quite understand the “Software update sucks” sentiment.

Software updates don't always go according to plan:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/tesla-owners-say-autopilot-ada...

BMW is not saying goodbye to electric cars for two reasons. The first is that hydrogen fuel cell cars are electric cars. The second is that BMW will continue to release battery electric cars. BMW’s future BEVs will be based on the Neue Klass platform.

BMW just recently released the new i5 BEV sedan with a wagon variant coming soon.

> Remember Firebug?

What was Firebug is now built in to Firefox: https://getfirebug.com/

What are the compelling advantages of Chrome nowadays?

Chrome is working to limit the capabilities of ad blockers:

https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2023/11/chrome-pushes...

Whereas a compelling advantage of Firefox is its support for uBlock Origin. uBlock Origin works best in Firefox:

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

Advertising networks have often been vectors for malware. Using an ad blocker is an important security measure. Even the FBI recommends ad blockers:

https://www.malwarebytes.com/malvertising

https://theconversation.com/spyware-can-infect-your-phone-or...

https://www.ic3.gov/Media/Y2022/PSA221221?=8324278624

> Yes, Tesla has made some false claims in the past.

Tesla makes false claims in the present, even over things as trivial as quarter mile times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRYS5VWXZts

https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-r...

Lying is standard operating procedure for Musk and Tesla.

> Elon Musk said it might be because they “still don’t believe it’s real.”

That's because Musk has been lying about the state of full self-driving for years. False claims, staged videos, and continuous lies of "next year, for sure!" aren't a good way to go:

https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/

https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-sel...

In 2016 Tesla claimed "that, as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver". That was a lie:

https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now...

Lying is part of the company culture at Tesla.