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Everyone is entitled to live the way they prefer (within certain limits), of course! :) But I would want to “consume better” instead of “consuming less”.
Consume things made sustainably, buy quality products made by small/family businesses, purchase more services rather than goods, avoid consuming things made by big corporations under regimes that go against the values I believe in, support technologies that move humanity closer to the future that appears to be “a better future”, etc.. I hope that this does not sound too contrarian and does not offend anybody! Peace and happy New Year to everyone!
Are we simply dealing here with different philosophies in regarding what’s important in life?
While it has some bugs and rough edges its capabilities are still quite impressive.
By the way, I really enjoyed this documentary: https://vimeo.com/ondemand/nakagincapsuletower
When I will be able to visit a museum or to travel to some real place (or to a place that is inspired by a real one and retains “detalization”, for example, various small objects that you’d find in a real place) that will be interesting to me.
Games, on the other hand, do not really sound so compelling.
2. We need hypersleep tech. There’s no way around it, as it seems.
Now, some points.
what economics is a science now
Are you kidding? 3D-animation is not a science but you still can understand how it is done and what works better and what doesn’t. Economic life is a physical process that has been observed for quite a while and some patterns appear to have been understood. We may not be right in 100% of cases but the fact is, that consumption has been a crucial factor in (at least) some instances of economic growth in the past. how much can you control the effects of whar you consume other than by controlling how much
That’s easy. By choosing alternative products/services. You boycott companies that are not doing too good of a job and support those (“vote with your wallet”) that you believe to be doing better. You might buy vegan patties…
That part looks a bit confusing to me. But in my example I was talking about things that I deem “actually relevant to moral questions”. (It depends how you define the term “moral”, I suppose). But to me a life of a sentient being that has individuality trumps many other concerns related to political ideologies, people’s convenience, etc. you only have partial power over it's good-faith nature
“Its nature”. I do not think that this part of the argument looks so clearly-defined. What is “partial” versus “non-partial”? To me it’s all “partial” and it’s “good enough”. I’ll take “partial” any day! Besides, in any case you still need to eat and you still need to make those choices. If you really want to keep your hands clean
That’s definitely not the ultimate goal or a cornerstone of my ethics or “philosophy”. In general I am fairly concerned with people who pay too much attention to “cleanliness” or “purity”. Not really an argument, just a note. :) more than you absolutely need to for your survival
I think, it’s really cruel to expect someone to spend their lives only at physical survival level. People do have needs beyond physical. So it makes it necessary to spend “beyond that level” and therefore it makes this “morally ambiguous act” necessary. But that’s what I said! We are back to a “very general philosophical level” and we are discussing that “(almost) everything is morally ambiguous”. Yes, I agree with that. (But I also think that it’s a fairly useless question compared to a very practical question, “Do we need to consume to make our friends’ parents live longer and happier?”) we absolutely need the economy to grow for continued prosperity
Could you define “continued prosperity”? Do you propose to just stay at the same level we are on already? Or do you propose to go back to a level where many people with serious diseases (who depend on high-tech medicine and equipment) to survive every day will not survive? By the way, I was not speaking about “continued prosperity”. I was talking about “better prosperity”. There’s too much suffering in the world currently in my opinion! We need better medical technologies, we need “cultured meat”, we need robotic helpers for old lonely people, we need to make Earth-born life multi-planetary (or multi-space-habitat) otherwise it will be gone in several hundred million years! Again, opinion. Please don’t “argue” with that! preposterous
Preposterous means “utterly absurd”. You could argue that the statement is dubious probably. But to call it “absurd” right away… The statement might actually be true. It might actually be “the only way for societies on certain stages”. It's clearly A method
I agree with this! Meaning, it might not be the _only_ method. There might be some nano-robots that make stuff for people out of the air and then no one needs to compete and do unpleasant work and everything is so good, yadda yadda. a glorified Ponzi scheme
Now that’s actually interesting. Do you have links to any serious works which show that economic growth (in all circumstances) is 100% a Ponzi scheme? Because when there’s such a scheme in an economy it’s called “a bubble” and it’s recognized as its own thing and then there’s an argument that sometimes bubbles are not so “bad” and that they might contribute to economic growth (whether we say that economic growth is a good or a bad thing). But again, it’s dubious to me that every instance of a growing economy is 100% a “bubble”.