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anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
Optimistically targeting end of this year, drop your email here and you'll be the first to know when we're live :) https://www.getclearspace.com/#newsletter
anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
thanks. will take a look and fix.
anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
awesome! love to hear that
anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
Thanks for sharing. We think about this problem a lot - basically "how do we allow seamless access to the 'mission critical tool' while stopping the 'weapons grade distraction', because our digital environments have both.

We built a chrome extension that is available for premium users to that eliminates the distracting social feeds on sites, but keeps the useful parts of them. So you can still search and reply to messages on Linkedin, for example, you just won't see the feed. Our main focus is the iPhone app right now, so we haven't been loud about it as a part of our core offering but you may find it useful. Give it a shot here and see if it's helpful. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/clearspace/geebjpi...

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
Optimistically targeting end of this year, drop your email here and you'll be the first to know when we're live :)

https://www.getclearspace.com/#newsletter

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
the most succinct answer is that with clearspace, no learned behavior path can become a compulsive habit for quickly getting more scrolling. every configuration of screen time limits we've tried has ended with us learning the quickest behavioral path to more scrolling (ie: quickly tapping "5 more minutes", entering passcode, etc).

more specifically: 1. we hit you with friction every time you enter an app you want to moderate your engagement with. with screen time limits, as long as you're under your budget, you'll get through no problem. in time this means you learn that early in the day is the best time to use social apps. we think this is a second order failure.

2. we let you stack your progress over time with your streak, which seems to be a far better behavioral motivator for staying in line with your goals.

3. we report usage for the apps you actually care about moderating. (I basically ignore my native screen time report, because "being up 25% this week" might mean I went on a long drive and was using maps to navigate, or that I doom-scrolled in bed until 3am.) we try to report data you actually care about (there's a ton we still need to do on this front, but we're getting better at it)

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
Yes those won't transfer to the chrome extension yet - they'll just apply locally to your phone. For whichever app you added them to, they'll be restricted when that app is restricted, and when you unlock that app via breathing exercise, those sites will become unlocked as well.
anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
ahh sorry should have specified - one-click functionality is available for iOS 16 and later, since that's when the ScreenTime API was integrated. if you/when you do upgrade to iOS 16, you won't get the new version of clearspace automatically, you'll need to delete your existing app and then re-download. (you'll also want to turn off that shortcut that you set up when you do that :)
anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
thanks so much for this. desktop solution coming as fast as we can build it!
anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
that's an interesting one - it's one of the reasons we've opted for consumer subscription as a business model. we want our interests to be firmly aligned with our users best intentions for themselves. they pay us to spend less of their life doing things they ultimately don't are about. we make money by helping them spend less of their life doing things they ultimately don't care about. as long as that's true, I think it would be pretty easy to say no when snapchat comes along asking for a service-specific friction reduction.

our real hope is actually that tools like clearspace tip the balance of power to individuals. if snapchat or IG are taking a real hit, they'll finally be incentivized to minimize “regrettable time” spent on their apps. that's probably an easier task than doing a backdoor deal with a company who makes its money but protecting its users from regrettable screen time.

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
sorry for the frustrating experience. it sounds like something went wrong here - would you mind opening the app -> settings -> report an error?

that way I'll be able to see your user id and track down the issue.

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
We actually do expect our product to change quite a bit over time, basically because of the nature of the arena we're playing in. platforms will change over time, as will they apps we're helping moderate, and we'll always be trying to integrate as seamlessly as possible to play defense for our users.

As such, we think a recurring subscription is the best way to align our interests with our users and make sure we're building the right thing over time. When customers are consistently paying, if we don't consistently deliver the value they're paying for, they leave. It means we're in a tighter feedback loop with users about what's working and what isn't.

Basically we think it's mission-critical that the technology protecting your attention to be as well built as the tech trying to exploit it, and our best guess at the moment is recurring subscription is the best way to accomplish that.

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
a few ways! but the most succinct answer is that with clearspace, no learned behavior path can become a compulsive habit for quickly getting more scrolling.

every configuration of screen time limits we've tried has ended with us learning the quickest behavioral path to more scrolling (ie: quickly tapping "5 more minutes", entering passcode, etc).

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
yes docs (albeit fairly sparse ones) are now available - feel free to email me, oliver@getclearspace.com
anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
We don't have an android solution yet, so stick with them for now :)

We found Freedom’s VPN solution to be great for completely blocking out distractions when you don’t need any internet and want to focus in on certain tasks. That can be helpful for mobile too, but we've found the day-in-day-out experience of injecting "intentionality" just-in-time to be more effective for us than pre-scheduled “allowed” and “not allowed” blocks.

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
I hear that. The truth is that it's not solely about generating revenue, but aligning interests and making sure we're building the right thing over time. When customers are consistently paying, if we don't consistently deliver the value they're paying for, they leave. It means we're in a tighter feedback loop with users about what's working and what isn't.

It also lets us plan for the long term since we have a decent idea of what our revenue will be. Particularly in this space that's going to be important - we'll have to continuously evolve to changes in the platforms we're operating on and the apps themselves that we're helping restrict. Basically we think it's mission-critical that the technology protecting your attention to be as well built as the tech trying to exploit it, and we see this as * probably * the most effective way to accomplish that.

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
we had a fun idea around a one month challenge - sendmeyourphone.com.

basically you sign up, we mail you a dumb phone with instructions for putting your smartphone sim card in, and you mail us back your smart phone. after 30 days we send it back with some swag saying you did it and some instructions for restarting your digital life with good habits post-detox.

would love to get around to it, but channeling steve jobs for now - "focus means saying no to a hundred other good ideas"

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
they've executed brilliantly, glad to see it's working well for you. along with the one-tap setup and social accountability features you point out, other noticeable differences between their solution and our are

- we can pull you out of an app at the end of the time you intended to use it for

- we support restricting websites

- we let you accumulate your progress over time via a streak, which is quite motivating (at least for me personally)

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
a few differences!

- one tap to set up an app with us (rather than creating an automation in your shortcuts app)

- we can pull you out of an app at the end of the time you intended to use it for

- we support restricting websites

- we let you accumulate your progress over time via a streak, which is quite motivating (at least for me personally)

- we have a social accountability layer, via "teammates" who receive updates when you exceed your budgets or remove tracking for an app

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
totally agree - exceptionally unintuitive side effect. we've been pushing on the apple support ecosystem to add the ability to "shield" apps without obstructing their notifications, and other developers have been piling on.

fingers crossed for WWDC23

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
This is brilliant, will absolutely hack around with it this weekend. I think it's possible to temporarily modify brightness on iOS as a third party app, thanks very much for the suggestion
anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
Optimistically targeting end of this year, drop your email here and you'll be the first to know when we're live :) https://www.getclearspace.com/#newsletter
anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
We might be able to get there at some point. Yes you can uninstall us, but if you have a support network that automatically gets notified if you uninstall us, you might think twice about it.
anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
A few ways!

- social accountability via teammates

- data reporting and streaks - we think displaying habit-change progress should have a cumulative and compounding effect. streaks are proving particularly effective for our users in this regard

- website support for non-safari browsers

- more complex scheduling - Screenzen will let you specify 1-3pm on MWF, for example, but not 1-3pm and 9-11pm MWF)

- much, much more to come. we're building for the cross platform future

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
Yep you can do that! See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35890537 in this thread for explicit instructions :)
anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
This is actually a bit of a misnomer at the moment, we need to update our messaging - but you can in fact restrict any websites you want.

To do it, open clearspace and tap one of the apps you've already set up. Then click the "websites" section. You'll be able to associate domains there, so whenever that app is unlocked, those websites will be as well. Otherwise they're restricted.

Hope this helps! Literally just rolling out website support so need to update the messaging in a few places, thanks for flagging.

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
love this callout, this is definitely on our roadmap. we refer to it internally as "one-tweet." basically - we'd love to be able to either

1. render that single tweet on the shield so you don't even have to enter the app to see it

or

2. let you passively stack up all the links you get sent socially, like a reading list, so you can work through them all at once.

will keep you posted on which way we go but definitely going to address this because it's a pain-point of mine as well.

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
Optimistically targeting end of this year, drop your email here and you'll be the first to know when we're live :)

https://www.getclearspace.com/#newsletter

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
Ultimately, this wouldn't be the worst thing. We actually hope that a lot more attention will be paid this issue by the big players (from a personal and mission standpoint). That being said, we don’t actually think the best party to have helping you moderate your engagement with devices is the the one selling you the device.

They may implement some of the same features but will always have to do some internal calculus on providing a smooth user experience and mitigating over-engagement. Our main goal is to equip people to reclaim control over their relationship with their devices - we think this is * probably * best solved by a startup

anteloper··on Launch HN: Clearspace (YC W23) – Cut back on screen time
This is INCREDIBLY cool. And yes - the breathe screen definitely does get old, but fortunately the friction continues to do its job.

Would you be interested in collabing?

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