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And with AMP, Google is trying ti do the same with entire sites.

In the long run why will we continue to produce content for Google?

Google must stop trying to suck the hole world into itself. Google is starting to look like a black hole.

And the "it is good for consumers" or "users like it" are just offensive. It's good for Google. It may be good for users today but it's bad for content producers and in the long run it's bad for everyone.

> how are you actually supposed to inspect them if you have a legitimate reason?

How is this question any different from FBIs encryption backdoor?

I see everybody here defending this but I truly don't understand. How is different from encryption backdoor on the browser?

> Section 215 of the Patriot Act will expire at the end of this year unless the Senate votes to re-authorize it.

> "As sure as night follows day, the Senate will wait until very last minute, when you all have your Christmas trees up," he said. "I am goign to push very hard to see if we can put a stake in this program and kill it once and for all."

> But to do that, Wyden said, he needs citizens to write, email and call their senators and ask them to not renew Section 215.

Will citizens do something about it? I don't think so but we'll see. I really hope to be proven wrong.

We can't expect layman and ordinary people to understand the real consequences and implications of the misinformation and misleading from government and corporations involved in surveillance.

We on HN and every one that really understand the matter will need to keep fight for ourselves and others.

But I believe trying to find a answer to your question a great exercise that contributes very much. I just don't have a good answer.

Maybe something like, they cant even keep our PII safe... what di you think will happened with our key

And if we had the technology to read the brain we would demand to read everyones brain 24/7

> the tests were completed, all the tasks set during the pilot were successfully solved

So, it was a pilot and it succeeded. Now what?

And now Google staring its move against ad blockers by first restricting them and then forbidding (they will deny). But it's for performance and speed because ad blockers are so bloated /s. And if course Google can't do evil because "Don't do evil" /s

> I really wish awareness of this reached a wider audience

1) it will not happen, not even Cambridge Analytica did and Facebook plans for more "privacy" took the media, Facebook did nothing or too little and now people think they are safer

2) People will not help making digital security and privacy any better, I can't explain why, but it must come from trully ethical developers

Privacy must be set by default. Ad tech co. have an conflict of interest in this privacy matter and can't lead the way. Developers from ad tech will always truly believe they are doing what's better for users but they just can't for many reasons.

Privacy by default is not a dream, it is not utopia, but it requires another business model. Ads will simple not allow privacy.

My opinion anyway

Why is Google pushing this crap so hard? It can't be just because of "speed". Can it?

Governments and corporations will happily have majority of society not thinning and just following

Encryption with backdoor will not make actual encryption disappear.

Outlawing encryption will not make encryption disappear.

Bad guys will eventually learn that.

Honest people will be the only ones losing

For citizens only

But now people knows that big tech co. are researching it and that it can be done

> “Obviously, there are laws to protect people’s privacy and we are respectful of all those laws,” Hartman said. “We also understand the importance of operating in an ethical way as it relates to further protecting people’s privacy.”

Sure /s

Differential Privacy is not new. It's better than nothing but it dies NOT fix PII leaking to third party and for first party it's a matter of trust

I agree but I think it's good for users

Privacy is a lost cause for the masses. Government don't what privacy for citizens, corporations don't what privacy for consumers and ordinary people are being misled.

Thing is, criminals will always have privacy because encryption will always be there. But ordinary honest people will not have the right.

And big tech will just be surveiling me talking to my wife and kids.

It is the reason I'm slowly moving away from Linux. I've learned Linux, for years I've invested time and money learning everything I could. And it was fun. I even built LFS many times. I know how NOT to break it and how to fix it. And as we have seen with GNOME3, systemd, Wayland etc. RH will deliver and every major distribution will eventually adopt immutable directories and statically linked applications. So, my conclusion after all this years learning and having fun with Linux is that it was a waste of time. I understand the propaganda: it's good for everyone (who don't like dealing with Linux, the OS). And I understand the real reason: distribution developers don't like the tedious work that is compiling, linking and packaging the same software over and over again. But the feeling that I wasted my time. If it's to use a immutable, bloated, reboot-all-the-time OS, I just use any other OS.

As I posted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20425615

It is the reason I'm slowly moving away from Linux. I've learned Linux, for years I've invested time and money learning everything I could. And it was fun. I even built LFS many times. I know how NOT to break it and how to fix it. And as we have seen with GNOME3, systemd, Wayland etc. RH will deliver and every major distribution will eventually adopt immutable directories and statically linked applications. So, my conclusion after all this years learning and having fun with Linux is that it was a waste of time. I understand the propaganda: it's good for everyone (who don't like dealing with Linux, the OS). And I understand the real reason: distribution developers don't like the tedious work that is compiling, linking and packaging the same software over and over again. But the feeling that I wasted my time. If it's to use a immutable, bloated, reboot-all-the-time OS, I just use any other OS

You can make fun of people who don't read tiny little words hidden in a contract. But you also can say tiny words are dark patterns.

When people get to know things like this way after they bought and used this devices... Google should made this very clear before people bought it

If Google don't clearly states what it collect, people must assume its everything

Facebook and a "privacy friendly" analytics company. This roundtable will be used just for propaganda.

Why do people trust cloudflare more then FB and Google? Isnt the ultimate goal of all this big tech co the same: to known everything?

How can someone defending DoH talk about the spirit of domain separation? This is so absurdv IMHO

Until you can't any more

I do think you're right. And I also think that DoH will legitimate MITM because if application developers can break an long standing contract like DNS on OS well... "why can't we"

Until you're minority, the browser don't receives funds enough and dies

We lost Google but it's hard to let go

No, if Google can change the way web works from day one they can change anything they want. Don't forget Google is killing imap and dns already. Why not http to?