Fewer Than Half of Google Searches Now Result in a Click
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Yes, they link to you below the featured snippet.
No, more people don't click, because they've taken the answer from your website and displayed it right in their search results.
For example: If I'm searching for "best nail for cedar wood" Google gives me the answer: STAINLESS STEEL - and I never had to click through to the website that gave the answer: https://bit.ly/2MdovdP
• Yes, this is good for users (it would also be good for users if Netflix gave away movies free)
• Overall, the publishers who "rank" for this query receive fewer clicks
• Google earns more ad revenue as users stick around on Google longer
Ironically, Google has a policy against scraping their results, but their whole business model is predicated off scraping other sites and making money off the content - in many cases never sending traffic (or significantly reduced traffic) to the publisher of the content.
It's for this reason that's I've stopped embedding micro data in the HTML I write.
Micro data only serves Google. Not my clients. Not my sites. Just Google.
Every month or so I get an e-mail from a Google bot warning me that my site's micro data is incomplete. Tough. If Google wants to use my content, then Google can pay me.
If Google wants to go back to being a search engine instead of a content thief and aggregator, then I'm on board.
I don't get why google thinks it's acceptable to critique my site without prompting. It honestly just feels rude. They want me to do a whole bunch of micro-optimizations on a site that already works fine because it doesn't fit their standard of "high quality". I think I've gotten exactly 0 clicks from Google search results ever and I don't really ever want any.
If it were possible to get a human's attention at Google I'd start sending my own criticism their way but of course it doesn't work like that...
While I understand the problems with Google scraping content, as a user these snippets help me find what I'm searching for faster. If that's all you're optimizing for, Google is fantastic. There are certainly good arguments to be made for other models, but for search, stealing content helps. I'm not advocating stealing content, I'm just saying that it produces more useful results.
Well it also serves Google's users, to be clear. Though I should also be clear that I don't think that justifies it, since I think it's bad for the ecosystem in more subtle ways than are expressed in immediate user satisfaction.
A search engine is inherently a content aggregator; the functions are inseperable.
I mean, maybe not yours specifically. But snippets are great for users in the typical case.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/they-turn-to-...
The “therefore” is misplaced; curated snippets aren't always correct, either.
Yea a couple days ago I was checking the Places API, which they’ve built off user-generated content and scraping Yelp and others. They charge $17 / 1000 calls for certain items and don’t you dare cache anything for too long.
Great way to build a business: get data for free, wall it off and put a hefty price tag on it, then put your best lawyers around the moat for good measure!
That doesn't seem right.
TIL. That's actually a good idea. Does that eliminate all kinds of snippets? NOARCHIVE may also be of use.
Who made this contract? I never signed one. If I came to your place of business and copied your content and provided it somewhere else, I would be infringing your copyright. Do I have to put up signs specifying that at my place of business? Why is this any different? My web content is not the property of someone else and by publishing my information that is in no way an implicit grant of the right to reproduce it.
Then why can't publishers scrape google?
Interesting way to put it - the biggest bully with the most money wins!
- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO
- This site is optimized with the Schema plugin
Yeah, optimized to death
Searching for "best car engine oil" has certain brands displayed straight on the featured snippet. Who cares about the click if Google found your customer for you and got your message through for free?
That means your marketing department can no longer justify investing money in Google SEO, which means less optimization towards Google's crawler, which means less reliable search results, which means less Google searches in the long run.
This one is actually reverse. Google search doesn't net google any money if people don't actually click the link, since ad revenue for google search is Per Click, not per view (per mille).
The incentives for them are actually reversed - increasing the amount of clicks into external websites, specifically advertised links, increases their revenue. (which is why there are so many advertised links on a search page)
I know that Aylien has an API for this but it's out of my price range.
If they were trying to monetize you they'd show you an ad that links to your answer and take a profit on the click. Directly giving the user the answer they want is great for the user, but guarantees that Google won't earn any revenue.
So why does Google do it? Simple: because their competitors do. That's the free market for you. Google didn't start that feature, another competitor did; Microsoft made it their primary differentiating feature in fact (remember the "bing and decide" ads?). Google had to adopt the same behavior or lose their customers.
So no, don't blame Google, blame capitalism. This is precisely the kind of feature that you wouldn't get if Google was able to behave as a monopoly.
But as Google sucks up the consumer surplus, it's going to be harder and harder to make money from internet businesses, and the final result a few years down the road will be toxic.
The internet isn't going to work too well if its solely reliant on hobbyists.
Whereas Google was previously a way for sites to be discovered and for sites to generate revenue, it is increasingly becoming the sole source system where data is scraped and imported into Google, and Google keeps all of the revenue to itself.
Having to scroll down past ads, unrelated news, unrelated youtube videos, and ever more of these info boxes has pushed the actual content I'm looking for out to the second page. It's made it much easier to use ddg as default and use the !g flag only when absolutely necessary.
Their results have gone into the toilet - I ragequit Google search about once a day and do something else like forum searches.
The problem is the business model breeds for this, and we end up replacing one abusive monopoly with another, until we can break that cycle.
For a time it seemed Free Software might ... free us ... from that, though as even that effort's biggest boosters (Eben Moglen, Bradley Kuhn, RMS) freely admit these days, we've been regressing of late, and at an increasing rate.
What's it going to take?
Also, it has gotten very hard to rank in google for new sites. SEO blackhat tactics rule, and even local businesses use them. Google went from win win to win-get lost.
Sadly, now that webmasters need it the most, investments in alternatives to search and advertising have dried up. There is almost nothing except G.
Today, I struggle to get sites I make to show up on Google at all. For my most recent website, even searching for phrases that are unique to my website doesn't cause it to rank. This is more frustrating to me, because I have a Google ad for my website, which drives all of my traffic - so I know Google knows about my website and what keywords are relevant to it.
Regularly cannot turn up results that I know exist - a modest change that has no relation to the query meaning and the results often turn up.
This is not the Google Search Engine I remember.
https://www.internetlivestats.com/total-number-of-websites/ indicates the number of web sites is still growing at breakneck speed.
Somewhat dated but still relevant:
https://searchengineland.com/googles-search-indexes-hits-130...
says the growth rate for the number of pages to be still substantial.
I wondered yesterday: if you provide microdata, Google scrapes it, and you later decide to remove your sites from Google - is Google allowed to keep the microdata and continue to publish it?
robots.txt is a courtesy, not a legal obligation.
Granted, it's still a while away to get into that territory, I think most sites still profit from Google.
Well, I don't see the problem at google providing a cache to save WP's bandwidth. I block ads anyway...
I'm really not sure how Google can be protected by Section 230 and at the same time control and publish so much directly. Last time I read an article on the topic, google controls 23% of the top 100 sites.
Neither the CDA, nor section 230 specifically, create the sort of publisher/platform dichotomy people seem to be hung up on.
And Section 230 does exactly the opposite of what people commonly think it does. It's actually right there, in the text:
No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of (a) any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable [...]
That seems really easy to understand: you can delete nazi propaganda, porn, bad jokes, or just random user content from your platform without running the risk of thereby assuming liability for the rest.
> Baker said Jumpshot’s data comes from 100 million devices worldwide, whose users have downloaded free security software from partner Avast. The devices include smartphones, laptops and tablets.
https://marketingland.com/jumpshot-makes-public-some-amazon-...
Even my fave from 10 years ago AVG seems user hostile (try turning it off, it's not easy!). I'd hate to see what the other's are doing.
Of course, lately, paying for an antivirus hasn't had the same value - windows defender, the much better browser sandbox and the fact that you don't really download executables anymore have contributed to reducing the risk of going without an anti-virus.
I feel the same way about a lot of outbound sites on Google. There are a bunch of things I just don't want to go to another site for. Off the top of my head:
- Exchange rates. Although this one I find infuriating because Google doesn't know how to correctly round off exchange rates (as in, there's a standard). This manifests as, say, showing 2 decimal places for AUD/USD when they should be showing 4.
- Calculator
- Mortgage calculator
- Song lyrics
That sort of thing. If you go to any sites that provide these sorts of things they're typically "scummy". Lots of ads, lots of Javascript, lots of dark patterns to make you load more page views (eg a mortgage calculator that'll mysteriously take 3 steps/page loads to calculate).
I'm glad these are in search results, typically in significantly better versions. And I don't think anyone who runs a site built around a basic formula for interest calculations has any right to complain about it.
Of course this will be painted as "where does it end?" but not every surface is a slippery slope.
Just look at the likes of Yelp who complains about Google "stealing" their content. Well, Yelp is about one of the scummiest businesses out there. So I won't feel sorry for them, not now, not ever.
The one weird case here is AMP. Like I get Google's motivations here. Many companies develop terrible mobile sites that run badly or not at all and AMP IS much faster, generally speaking. Yet still it seems so heavyhanded with seemingly no opt out (on the consumer or publisher side). I don't really understand why Google wants to die on this particular hill.
Now Google is using the same content and depriving them of the traffic.
That's pretty scummy in my opinion.
Before:
User: Hey Google, what's the monthly payment on a 20-year mortgage with 3.9% APR?
Google: Oh, MortgateSite would know, go there.
MortgageSite: Here's your calculator.
User: Okay, let me put in the numbers ... awesome, thanks! Oh, neat, they can hook me up with lenders. Let me take a look.
MortgageSite: Thanks for the referral, Google!
Everyone wins.
Today, it's more like:
User: Hey Google, what's the monthly payment on a 20-year mortgage with 3.9% APR?
Google: Oh, that would be this much: ... . Here are some sites where you can dig deeper.
User: Um, okay, might be worth a look. Let's try MortgageSite.
MortgageSite: uhhhhhhh hold on a second. Hey, see our BUY THIS PRODUCT mortgage calculator. AND THIS ONE
User: Uh, okay, I'll just type in--
MortgageSite: HEY! It looks like you're new to this site. Want to get on our mailing list?
User: You know what? Screw it.
MortgageSite: Confound you, Google, for stealing our traffic!
User: Hey Gateway, what's the monthly payment on a 20-year mortgage with 3.9 APR?
Gateway: Here's your calculator, already prefilled with the data taken from your query.
Done.
The problem with all these little sites is, besides bloat, that the "Oh, neat, they can hook me up with lenders. Let me take a look." ends up with user getting malware and/or scammed. The problem with Google is that they can hardly be trusted at this point to do things like this in the interest of users. They want to be the frontend through which you access the Internet.
I used the word "Gateway" in my example as a placeholder; my imaginary perfect world recognizes that things like "currency conversion", "song lyrics" or "mortgage calculator" are data[0], which should be separate from the frontend used to access it. I dream of the Internet where things like these are API-driven and do not involve loading anything other than what's requested - neither ads, nor "value-adds", and definitely not all the rest of the webpage surrounding a mortgage calculator, which is bloat obstructing requested functionality.
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[0] - yes, even mortgage calculator; it's a mathematical model, an algorithm, and code is data.
Even then, mortgages aren't something Google can realistically calculate because lenders don't structure loans that simply. There is a fixed rate period, and a variable period after that.
First-time searchers may get suckered in by a personal finance site that relies on ads just as Google itself does, but after that, they'll be using the calculators that are on lenders' own sites when it's time to comparison shop.
Dear every web developer in the world who makes no effort to fight your employers' marketing department on this: I hate you.
I found some instructions[1] that says a website can opt out of Google's Featured Snippets with special HTML code:
<meta name=”googlebot” content=”nosnippet”>
Are there any cases of websites deliberately opting out of snippets and therefore seeing their referral links (and ad revenue) increase?[1] https://searchenginewatch.com/2019/03/27/google-featured-sni...
I think we need to go back a little and think. When the internet started, if you wanted to monetize your website, and attract users, what would you do? There were no search engines. Nowadays, people claim they're at the mercy of Google, but it's more that their very existence and business model was enabled and made viable by Google. Since it seems, without Google, no one would find them and visit their website. In that sense, I find it hard to say Google is taking things away, it seems more like Google is giving and giving, sometimes, it gives less, and sometimes it gives more.
In the 90s, people were making websites because they wanted to make websites, and some of them were informational, and some of them were just whatever cool thing somebody decided to publish. Keeping track of your favorite sites was harder, but eventually browsers added bookmarks and it became a bit easier.
Okay, now how do you find all of that stuff? Three answers kind of sprung up: sites that are list of sites, directories (Yahoo) and search engines. They kind of work, but finding good stuff is still hard, and while the best answer here is probably search, the indexes aren’t entirely comprehensive and the algorithms aren’t good at sorting good stuff from bad stuff yet, they’re too easily gamed.
Google came along and went with search, but they did two things differently: they built a comprehensive index and they had a good algorithm for sorting good stuff from bad stuff. This didn’t stop an entire industry from springing up to try and game it, but they made gaming their algorithm an increasingly expensive proposition, and just doing the right thing easier.
So now we have a good search engine with a comprehensive index, now the web has a different problem: as much stuff as there is, it turns out there’s not enough stuff about a lot of stuff, and this is obvious once you have a good enough search engine that will till you whether there is enough stuff about your term. Well as it turns out, it is already 2004 and people are just now figuring out how to make lots and lots of money with this internet and web stuff. Google has come out ahead of the pact as the obviously superior choice for searching all this stuff, their competitors get a lot better, but Google stays ahead of them, and they’re able to maintain a lead by simply being so much better there is no reason to stop using Google so long as they’re not evil.
They also figured something else out: people are looking for information, or the tools for getting that information. Who knows more about getting information than peoples whose jobs it is to find and surface the right information? And it turns out that some things you can’t find with just a webpage, you need other kinds of tools, like calculators. So they built them in, because at the end of the day, it’s the information that people actually want, they don’t need the debris that comes along with loading a full webpage.
tl;dr Google is an information services company and always has been. Characterizing them as a search engine or advertising company is a massive understatement and was always inaccurate.
I do queries like "2 tbsp in tsp" or "45 * 22" or "$25 CDN in USD" all the time and I don't think of them as a search.
Same goes for my Echo. I ask it all the time for today's weather or what time the Texas Rangers are playing or who is the starting pitcher for the Giants tonight. None of that feels like a search.
EDIT: added some sources (sorry, that's the best I could dig up in 5 minutes)
[1] https://www.google.com/googlefinance/disclaimer/
[2] https://searchengineland.com/google-now-with-real-time-nhl-h...
[3] https://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/ibm-scores-a-weath...
1: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=texas+rangers+next+gam...
https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/18/18684211/google-song-lyri...
I do emphathize with the companies being scooped by Google, and so I have concern that they are viable economically and that Google compensates them for getting the info from them.
But in the mean time, it's a success for me when my search gives me the answer immediately instead of two or three rounds of indirection.
Are you saying that there's no excerpt at all above the search results, when you expected one; or that there is an excerpt, but it's not from the most appropriate/relevant source?
It's annoying when there's a page that has all the information you might need, but to find it, you first have to scroll past a bunch of Stack Overflow posts that are more suitable for dilettantes who prioritise trying a quick fix over learning best practices. But when you do make the effort to find the most promising link and your browser allows the search engine to record your choice, you at least get a vote regarding how the ranking should be adjusted. When users just look at the results but don't interact with them any further, that feedback vanishes.
A win for Google isn't necessarily a win for Google users.
If you have been to a local news site recently, you might agree that they are similarly "scummy," overrun with banners, popups and native ads.
no dark patterns, loads quickly, uses fathom for analytics so no tracking. There are affiliate links to LendingTree, but they're just text links and i tried to be non-obtrusive to the ux.
also, have an android app that just hit 5,000 installs since being launched in mid-April: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.mortgagecal...
currently ranking #3 for 'mortgage calculator' on google play. pretty proud of that! beating out Zillow and Quicken's mortgage calculators.
For example I was searching for a lease termination letter template. There are sites dedicated to documents, letters, forms and templates. Many of them are pretty spammy or messy. Then I found a page of a real estate portal. They had just what I needed, without superfluous ads with nice UX. It's in their interest to help people to do this, because then they will probably search for a next apartment. They, of course, are fast to offer additional services on top like searching for the move services. But nevertheless, providing this service is something on edge what they are doing - a marketplace for real estate. Only then they will get some money, so the side experience should be as smooth and painless as possible.
Another example is a tax/salary calculator on a job board. Or... most what Google is doing to some extent, but with different trade-offs.
I know it's nothing new, but it was interesting for me to notice it recently so directly.
I though AMP was opt-in for publishers? As in you have to write the front-end spec and pick a CDN to cache with.
It is but Google will only put you in the carousel at the top of the search if you use AMP. That's a significant enough driver of traffic where publishers can't afford to lose it.
So unless you can survive getting bumped off of the first page of results, not implementing AMP isn't optional.
Every link aggregator that indexes your AMP page will cache it, including Bing and Baidu. That's what makes safe prerendering possible.
If the right investments were made, every software company's product could be a feature of Microsoft Windows, and Microsoft Windows could be a feature of Intel CPUs.
A lyrics website recently put fake lyrics on their site to prove Google was copying, and sure enough the fake lyrics showed up a couple weeks later.
Google isn't just taking content from "evil" companies like Yelp, they're doing it to everybody.
Job search, shopping, song lyrics, news, and who knows what else, is all being somewhat blatantly lifted. And nobody can stop it because blocking Google is a death knell to any site
Granted, but the comment you replied to was about the difference between a feature and a company.
I'd rather just type CAD to USD.. or BTC to USD, or any other combination in my address bar than type xe.com, load a bunch of libraries, including Facebook connect. Ghostly reports 6 trackers blocked.
Furthermore, it took 3.45 seconds to load xe.com in Incognito, while google only took 1.1
Or retirement calculator: https://www.daveramsey.com/smartvestor/investment-calculator
New versions of Chromium will begin hiding the full URL entirely, probably so that more and more marketing/targeting related UTM parameters can be jammed in without the user ever even knowing.
Monopolization of cultural information is antisocial.
I set up custom search keywords in every browser I use for this, among many other custom searches. In that particular case I query xe.com from an address bar search (not affiliated with them I've just always used the site) as xe <amount> for my most common currency conversion and others like xeyen for Japanese rates, xegbp for British Pound, etc. Takes me right to the page.
Even for various Google services I set them up to save unnecessary clicks.
I generally search for "1000 USD in AUD" as a workaround.
If I want to look up an actor I'll just add 'IMDB' to the end and get a much better experience on the site itself than google could ever offer in their search page.
Exactly why go to those sites when you can get the same experience without leaving Google? And its not like Google isn't serving the ads on both Google and those "scummy" websites anyway, and no one is going to out dark pattern Google.
But I'm not convinced that's necessarily true. I frequently search for things to get a general idea of what is out there, and I only skim the results. This is also something I do when I'm refining my search terms. It may take me several iterations to refine my terms until I find something I want to click through to. In this process, I may have three or four no-click searches before I land on a good query, and then I start clicking.
If I search for 2 words, odds are stupidly high that most of the results will NOT include one of my two words. Thanks Google, for deciding I didn't really mean to type that.
I follow up with added quotes, etc to enforce what I actually typed, so there will be a lot of Google-induced churn.
Google has focused so highly on the peak that more and more searches - certainly the majority of mine - have been relegated to the long tail.
-something react something something-
Google gives me some results without react and asks if I want to include the word I typed in the box for reasons.
Like Google I KNOW the words are popular without "react", that's why I included react to narrow the results. Thanks for ruining my search for me....
I love DDG because of their bangs, but their "let me tell you what you actually wanted to search for"-attitude is pissing me off.
However, while I agree that there are other factors (and we shouldn't make assumptions), I do think the walled garden effect is real. I find it particularly annoying on Android when I ask Assistant for something and instead of showing me search engine results and a Google inline app, it shows me just Google's answer and has a button to do a search. Adding an extra step to see non-Google information feels like they're trying very hard to steer me toward their stuff.
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/planning/planning-level/nyc-popula...
"Each of the city’s five boroughs registered gains in population. The Bronx saw the largest increase, up 3.4 percent, followed by Brooklyn (3.1 percent), Manhattan (2.7 percent), and Queens (2.2 percent); Staten Island showed the smallest gain (1.6 percent) over the 99-month period."
I do understand that people want clicks to their site so that they can get ad views, and that those ad view payments are what pay the hosting bill and reimburse for the effort of generating the info.
Yet from a UX PoV, I simply want to know the airspeed of an unladen swallow. I don't want to click to learn it. That additional friction doesn't improve my user experience, it improves someone else's. Mandating that would turn Google into a splash screen or landing page, and we've gotten rid of those anti patterns for good reasons.
I chose my toy example (unladen swallow) because it's an example where nuance is required (African or European?) and if google's answer box were to obscure that it would be wrong. But if answers that with a "two answers: African x European y, and click here to know more" that is a user-friendly model.
Really objecting to google doing this is like objecting to an ad blocker IMHO. Ad blockers upset sites, but make users happy.
(anti disclaimer and disclaimer: I am not a fan of google, use DDG, and my company has ditched all google services. OTOH my gf works there, though not on anything related to search.)
FWIW I block ads because they are intrusive, as well as for speed.
To make a counter point - I was recently researching 'things about various electronic and motorized bicycles / scooters'- a subject which a 'good answer' would be some sort of curated content by a specialist individual who is interested in the topic or a specialized vendor who has lots of 'information pages' - but instead of finding much of this at all, nearly every search went to various amazon / alibaba / ebay pages with very little non-commercial general purpose content available.. (not even manufacturer pages were there really)
and 'conveniently', most of the 'organic content' these days is non-texual and tied to youtube, or hidden on non-indexed facebook groups..
net result: a network effect whereby walled gardens drive organic content off of indexes, indexes become more crowded with commercial content, and then commercial content has to be paid to get to the top of the list to get traffic, and one can go to youtube to be user profiled for targeted marketing - how exactly did my purpose-specific container tab yield targeted ads to a completely separate yahoo mail account again??
I did recently do a google search for someone's name and felt like I was presented with an anti pattern: a couple of boxes not getting to what I wanted (and not the wikipedia link) followed by a row of small boxes with thumbnails of other people goog hoped I might be interested in, a couple of more large boxes and then finally, after scrolling up, the text links. Yuck, as bad as altavista/Yahoo/lycos.
Long-term (potentially): those sites no longer exist, so there's no way to learn the information with or without a click.
More seriously, from a moral standpoint, I would argue that what's at most a short paragraph extract from a website falls under fair use. I don't believe any site is entitled to clicks from Google's search results page, certainly not for such short snippets, which I believe don't exhibit the level of creativity that deserves denying the right to copy to others. By contrast, the other sites you listed provide copies of significantly longer and more creative works.
(Googler, though not in search or ads)
Most of the time I've got dict or some hand-tuned extractor scripts which can pull the information for me, though if I'm away from those the experience remains annoying and convinces me to actively seek down the page for the first result which does NOT do this.
> That includes millions of Android-powered devices and millions of PCs as well. They have much lower coverage on iOS devices and so don’t report on visit data from those browsers.
I'm not saying that their sample is not heavily biased, but they do claim that it's not a desktop-only dataset.
Then the snippet appeared, and a bunch of negative comments started to appear. To clarify, my answer was not a solid yes or no, but more of my experience with the tool. But Google snippets conveniently answers with a section that says: "It is pointless."
User's read the snippet, are enraged, click, don't bother to read the article, jump to the comment and say "YOU ARE WRONG."
Now, the controversy brings a decent amount of traffic. But unfortunately, the traffic is not from people reading in the first place.
Me: How do they get this data. This is some pretty thorough data on a site they don't own.
Article: "Jumpshot is the data arm of Avast, a well-regarded maker of numerous Internet security products. This suite of products, in order to function, must collect and analyze every URL visited by every browser of every machine on which its installed. [...]
Article: "Because Avast has to see and process all these URLs anyway (in order to serve their function of providing web security), they anonymize, aggregate, and remove any personally-identifiable information from the browser URL visits and then provide them to Jumpshot, who then makes estimates about broad web usage behavior."
...I hate this world. Everyone's tracking you. Everyone's selling you to advertisers.
There are still plenty of individuals working on projects not driven by money which respect your privacy.
The article thinks this dataset is close enough to representative to present their conclusions as more or less facts. I'm not sure I'd make the same conclusion.
There are plenty of other channels, but none with remotely the reach or trust of the US's overwhelmingly dominant search engine.
By dint of this fact, they can steal the content of those who actually produced it. What are you going to do, deindex your site? That's death, because Google is a monopoly.
In the short term it seems good for the end user. But in the long term, Google having a monopoly on distributing the world's information seems like an obvious threat.
Incredibly far from the truth.
"There are plenty of other channels"
Yep.
If I search for something using Google, and don't click on a link, doesn't that mean my search was fruitless? What else do we mean by 'zero-click searches'?
Edit: Unless it's the simple '6 x 10' or 'What is the time in London', in which case, are we surprised these queries are handled by $SearchEngine? DDG does the same thing (albeit, uses a third party website and gives credit)
I'm having trouble understanding how the site would have lost potential revenue. All the query wanted to know was the net worth of someone. I don't imagine anyone casual enough to use Google to answer that who would be willing to spend a lot of time trying to figure that out using an advertisement-laden "free" website. I don't imagine anyone professionally interested in that answer who'd use Google as their primary resource nor would they click on ads on the target site.
On the other hand, Google gets to know who's talking about whom. That in and of itself is/can be valuable. I can see an argument be made for abuse of monopoly here. On the other hand, I think what Google does indeed benefit the consumer in this case. The casual user's experience is likely improved and the professional user's experience still wouldn't use Google as a primary resource.
No, it could mean that Google itself provided an acceptable answer for you in an infobox.
For example, if you search for "San Francisco temperature," the top-of-the-page result is an interactive box showing the current conditions and 24-hour forecast for the city.
That's reasonably likely to answer the implied question without redirecting you to another site, so it is an example of a successful "zero-click search."
[0] https://www.google.com/search?q=google+search+"featured+snip...
- I use Google as a calculator and a unit of measure converter including currency
- I don't hesitate to "define WORD" when I don't know a word which gets displayed at the top
- What is the capital/population/square miles of
- Who is/cast of/CHARACTERNAME actor
- What muscles are used with movement/machine
- synonym/antonym WORD
- SONG lyrics/"turn off your mind relax and float down stream" song/'Tomorrow Never Knows' band
Actually, every single time I open a Google tab I query "define define" first so that I have the search bar at the top and not in the center of the page. Don't judge me, you do weird stuff too.
pretty much all browsers support CTRL+L, CTRL+T, CTRL+W, CTRL+(SHIFT)+TAB... which are really useful
In the long run why will we continue to produce content for Google?
Google must stop trying to suck the hole world into itself. Google is starting to look like a black hole.
And the "it is good for consumers" or "users like it" are just offensive. It's good for Google. It may be good for users today but it's bad for content producers and in the long run it's bad for everyone.
I remember back in the early 2000s when I had to click through 1st to 10th result trying to find what I was looking for, sometimes even having to go to 2nd page of results.
Now I use search for everything : name of a built-in function, quick calculation, checking the spelling or wording of a sentence, short biography of someone... For none of that I will need to click on the result because the answer is given to me without needing to click anything.
And it occurs to me that I've been experiencing a lesser version of this for years. Google search just isn't working for me anymore.
Longform content, interactive content, blogs, videos, forums and social networks (generally pages you might want to spend more time on) seem to be mostly unaffected.
The CelebrityNetWorth example: https://theoutline.com/post/1399/how-google-ate-celebritynet...
If Google kills CelebrityNetWorth's revenue, Google no longer can scrape updated data from CelebrityNetWorth, because they killed it already. So Google data gets worse or remains static, which quickly becomes inaccurate.
The EU is attempting to fix this issue with the so-called "link tax" everyone has claimed is horrible for the Internet, but really, it's a way to correct the industry. For Google to have good information to scrape, the content creators need to be fairly compensated for that, or else the whole thing falls apart.
Because right now, what Google has done, is acted as a parasite, but a poor one, that actually kills its host.
Why exactly is it in Google's best interests to reveal internal competitive trade secrets just because someone asked? Or any company, for that matter. If a company discloses information it's because they think they'll gain more from disclosing it than from not disclosing it. So why should you demand that all companies answer all your questions?
I'd be interested in examples of lies, though.
One could argue they have always been an answer engine and they are just getting more direct and precise.
If I can't remember exactly the syntax I can often construct a query precise enough that the first result shows enough of the syntax in stackoverflow's accepted answer that I can just proceed from there without clicking through.
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and never see those Google top and ads, and widgets, and what-not, again. I use EFF Privacy Badger + uBlock Origin but to each their own.
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Now ... the charts are very interesting, but are a misrepresentation in several ways (although not necessarily intentionally).
1. What @cyrusshepard says: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20688712
2. Preference for more established / larger / more popular websites in the "organic"/non-ad results. This is something I can't prove, but my and my acquaintances' experience suggests that, gradually (mostly before the last 5 years, i.e. not a new thing by now), Google has shifted toward tending to direct you more to those kinds of sights. Perhaps others have studied this.
~45% of google traffic is "organic" - I search, I find a link I leave google
~5% is as clicks (!)
~50% is zero click - it's common enough a query that google just answers it right there, flights, trains timetables, cinema, exchange rates
This is kind of a huge shift and also kind of not important at all
Millions of us want, say, cinema listings, and off the back of those listings might easily buy a ticket. I can see this as a huge business for Google and certainly disruptive but I am not sure we are losing much by Google vetting it's dollar instead of the same dollar going to the ticketing company behind a multiplex
Is this the old fear about microsoft - that all any ISV was doing was market research for microsoft?
If you are a distribution channel selling a barely differentiated product to millions of people - well the writing has been on the wall for a while.
Look at HN. Your opinion is free text number 20688220 written here. Ready for Google to eat. Twenty million texts written. Without any payment at all.
It's what comes afterwards, when Google inevitably starts answering queries on complex issues around medicine, politics, society or the economy with a pithy snippet grabbed from what it's machine learning thought was representative.
We've already seen that vast swathes of the population can have their vote influenced by Facebook/Twitter posts with a big "Sponsored" tag on them. No nuance, all invective.
How do you think that will play out when people will take the snippet at its word and not bother to at least click and get some idea of the author's possible biases, methodological limitations, etc.?
You can't "add more ads" above the fold when everything above the fold (for lucrative searches) is already an ad.
And dropping below 50% of searches don't result in a click is hard. Either for practical or anti-trust reasons.
So, get used to growth that's tied to internet growth. Which "ain't so bad", but also "ain't what it used to be".
This cow is milked, so if you want to go back to growth that exceeds expectations, you need a new cow. Search monetization has peaked for the near future.
It's amazing how they can get away with this, while at the same time not allowing others to scrape their sites. The actual content creators probably see significantly less traffic because of this - without ever knowing what the actual traffic could have been... there should be some kind of pay it forward/revenue sharing that Google should do. But that would be not being evil.
That's why these products are privacy nightmares.
Bitdefender has admitted that it compromised a user.[0] That was a major case. I'm sure that many other users have been hosed, in less newsworthy ways.
> Because Avast has to see and process all these URLs anyway (in order to serve their function of providing web security), they anonymize, aggregate, and remove any personally-identifiable information from the browser URL visits and then provide them to Jumpshot, who then makes estimates about broad web usage behavior.
There's no reason why URLs need ever be uploaded.
0) https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsroom/news/massive-blow-to-...
var resultLinks = e ? e.querySelectorAll('.r') : document.querySelectorAll('div#search .r');
for (var i = 0; i < resultLinks.length; i++) {
var link = resultLinks[i].childNodes[0];
var oldLink = link.href;
if (/^(https?:\/\/(www\.|encrypted\.)?google\.[^\/]*)?\/?url/.test(oldLink)) {
var matches = /[\?&](url|q)=(.+?)&/.exec(oldLink);
if (matches != null) {
link.href = unescape(matches[2]);
}
}
// Clear attached event listeners so google can't mangle urls on mouse click
if (link.getAttribute('onmousedown')) {
link.removeAttribute('onmousedown');
}
if (link.ping) link.ping = null;This is for keywords with no competition, which makes me a bit bitter because I have a substantial negative ROI. I can understand that Google wants to prevent arbitrage spam, but I just last week decided to cut my adwords spend to almost nothing because it's not getting better over time.
To be fair, that's a slow burn. Academics have been talking about this for decades now.
In the long run why will we continue to produce content for Google?
Google must stop trying to suck the hole world into itself. Google is becoming a big black hole.
And the "it is good for consumers" or "users like it" are just offensive. It's good for Google. It may be good for users today but it's bad for content producers and in the long run it's bad for everyone.
Web Search for factual answers is a stop gap on that road, but distributed knowledge databases are inexorably going to be centralized, melded, and transformed.
The 90s “content is king” business models just aren’t sustainable if what you’re publishing is static mostly factual content.
I use DuckDuckGo, obviously, especially if I need technical information.
Add in conversions, zip codes, song lyrics, etc, and I guess you start having a good percentage of searches...
Also, do Google image search where you click on an image and don't go through to the actual site count ?
I read this as 50% of web developers failed to open, so they'll never close.
1. Type some search terms.
2. Look at the first page of results.
3. Fail to find any results that look promising.
4. Repeat.
Surely, this accounts for a large chunk of non-click searches?
We often prefer non-clickbait headlines for good reason. The answer to a question may be simple enough to fit into the headline, but the site will withhold it to get a click.
Paywalls also encourage people to skip reading the article. I find I'm a bit annoyed at first, but it fades quickly and I realize the news probably isn't that important anyway.
Spelling
Definitions
Translations
Exchange Rates
Movie/TV/Video Game aggregate ratings
Zip Code for an address
and more
Try searching anything related to researching foundation repair. You get pages upon pages of foundation repair services and biased one pager summaries about certain procedures.
Long gone are the days when search queries retrieved educational content - when was the last time you saw results for engineering toolbox, or hyperphysics, or anything other than ads, commercial services, and stack overflow for software related questions?
SEO killed search and Google is complicit. I think this has massive ramifications for society - the sources of information are shallower, and people are increasingly unable to notice differentiate objective knowledge sources from commercial websites. The people who are interested in generating and curating true knowledge repositories are probably not interested in paying for SEO, so their efforts are effectively hidden from what amounts to the gateway to the internet.
I dunno, maybe my queries are getting more complex? But I’m getting a strong feeling that Google is becoming less and less useful as an indexer if the web.
Besides, for any business to continue leading long-term in modern days it's inevitable it must seek to become a monopoly, or at least part of a duopoly.