ToothlessJake

But you did.

Good thing that no one in this thread or on this site in general poses that POV.

Prisons are privatized, helped managed by the likes of SAIC[1]. FBI databases get shared amongst all the alphabet boys, including local law enforcement and private entities[2].

SAIC fills the monitoring center fused with fusion center niche with their "Domain Awareness Center[3]" being built in Oakland California. DEA uses the NSA who pulls data from all the various private/government/corporate/infiltrated databases to forge investigation paths, aka "intel laundering[4]".

FBI assists in private digital forensics centers[5] run by Snowden's Booz Allen Hamilton which help all levels of law enforcement in things like intellectual and copyright prosecutions[6].

Endgame Systems uses illegal exploits and data harvested from botnets against whoever for a cool million or so at the whim of the NSA/others[7] while hackers come under further prosecution and filtering for their esoteric deeds[8].

All the while SAIC[9] managed drones continue to spread across the US[10] and elsewhere.

Monolithic by choice, the whole lot.

I would honestly appreciate those affiliated with ATT, Comcast, Blue Coat, Endgame, Booz, Hunton & Williams and others to halt their profiteering endeavors. This of course should apply to all functionaries of the various arms of the world's governments that are complying in exchange for their salary as well.

[1] http://www.alanco.com/news_040104.asp

[2] http://www.dhs.gov/fusion-centers-and-joint-terrorism-task-f...

[3] http://oaklandwiki.org/Domain_Awareness_Center

[4] http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/us-dea-irs-idUSBRE...

[5] http://whois.net/whois/chicagorcfl.org

[6] http://chicagorcfl.org/

[7] http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Endgame_Systems

[8] http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/27/pornwall

[9] http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/06/14/news-saic-wins-95-mil...

[10] http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/08/coming_soon_t...

Where are the users that come in to say "I disagree with this, but consider it's validity because.."

I would love to hear a thoughtful argument for how hiding the source of an investigation, including evidence used, is just under the letter of the law. Followed up with how 'overreaches' are bound to happen but are acceptable as long as results are shown(but evidence is not).

They are not supposed to know, the government is attempting to cover up it's crimes again[1] until it can work out immunity and monetary compensation for the actors involved[2].

[1] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cia-chief-w...

[2] http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/10/supreme...

Edit: To the user below, this is various arms of the government passing around information amongst it's branches to avoid accountability and exposure as much as possible. Rather monolithic.

Keep the ready made mantras out of this please.

"The remotely operated MQ-9 Reapers have already been flying over a large swath of northern New York since October 2011. The Federal Aviation Administration has recently expanded that air space further south to include some of Central New York's most densely populated regions."

Is there anyone from this area around? Thanks to Parastoo[1] and Kingcope[2] I have gained some interest in how drones communicate(C/Ku Band) and who they operate with (SAIC[3]).

For those interested in partially decoding drone communications, particularly around where they are known to be operated in the US, it may be worthwhile to look into a setup like this[4]. It is a cheap $20usd-ish rtl-sdr tuner paired with a still cheaper 'Avenger' PLL LNB, allowing the operator to tune the cheap usb dongle into Ku band, which drones use out non-line of sight communications.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6038657

[2] http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb907234/pics/skygrab.pdf

[3] http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/06/14/news-saic-wins-95-mil...

[4] 'Crossband QSO, receiving EB5EA at 10GHz and transmitting EA5KGD on 432MHz. With SDR RTL2832U E4000 ("ezcap" stick) and PLL LNB ("Avenger" PLL321S-2), Digital KU Band Single LNBF' http://youtu.be/Sdmo-FtHtGU

That 'logic' was how the US telcom wiretapping and their subsequent granted retro-active immunity[1] issue played out.

It was not snide, but a historical reference. Sorry if you did not get it.

[1] http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/09/us-usa-court-telec...

A clean bill of health will be given[1].

All parties involved with be granted immunity, possibly retroactive, even though no wrong doing was found[2].

More payments to data providers will be given[3], not considered bribes. This is after issuing them said (retro)active immunity from attempts at legal recourse.

[1] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cia-chief-w...

[2] http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/10/supreme...

[3] http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/07/10/us-pays-companies-big...

What are you on about? What does it produce if not computer-readable characters? Computer illegible characters? Are you saying it cannot read from the dictionary it creates? Or from the characters it is later optically recognizing off that dictionary?

Again from the JBIG2 wiki[1]:

"Textual regions are compressed as follows: the foreground pixels in the regions are grouped into symbols. A dictionary of symbols is then created and encoded.."

It seems not only is JBIG2 being deployed as OCR by Xerox for whatever reason, its implementation in this case is an absolute failure.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JBIG2

I would wager JBIG2 is the problem when Xerox couldn't implement it properly.

"Normal" is an overly aggressive compression setting? Is that an overly aggressive setting for the end-user or for Xerox to be implementing in their hardware marketed to law firms?

OK down-voter. Read the JBIG2 wiki[1].

"Textual regions are compressed as follows: the foreground pixels in the regions are grouped into symbols. A dictionary of symbols is then created and encoded, typically also using context-dependent arithmetic coding, and the regions are encoded by describing which symbols appear where."

Then from the OCR wiki[2].

"Matrix matching involves comparing an image to a stored glyph on a pixel-by-pixel basis; it is also known as "pattern matching" or "pattern recognition"."

Furrow your brow and smash the down-vote arrow all you wish. It won't stop JBIG2 from doing much of what people consider OCR as doing today. Recognizing characters, just JBIG2 adds in making it's own dictionary which opened the path to this topic today.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JBIG2 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_character_recognition

O-SubC-R then perhaps. Still is recognizing shapes/symbols which is the very basis of OCR.

This seems a bit hair splitty when the end result is the same as invalid OCR dictionaries.

Thats OCR...

Why is ft.com allowed here?

Most users will not have ready access to the article contents therefore will be commenting mostly on the title itself. This sways the discussion towards the shallow end.

I must agree with junto. Boo FT paywall. Boo.

Someone in a previous thread about ex-NSA Russell Tice asked "Say what you like about Snowden, but at least some of his claims have been backed up by evidence. What have these guys got? Why not name names?"

I responded with: A stay in a penitentiary helped managed by SAIC[1].

Digitally stalked due to dissent by for-profit "Domain Awareness Centers" run by SAIC[2].

Persistent targeting, one way or another, by drones managed by SAIC[3].

Now after this, I can add "Hunting and exposing swaths of users as to pursue/prosecute/rendition/drone a few via disseminating exploits used against those that dare encrypt their traffic[4]".

[1] http://www.alanco.com/news_040104.asp

[2] http://oaklandwiki.org/Domain_Awareness_Center

[3] http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/06/14/news-saic-wins-95-mil...

[4] https://www.cryptocloud.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2894&p=3852#...

I must yet again point to a company like Endgame Systems[1] as being a likely contractor for this service rendered for the FBI.

Some of Endgame's products used by the likes of the NSA: "There are even target packs for democratic countries in Europe and other U.S. allies. Maui (product names tend toward alluring warm-weather locales) is a package of 25 zero-day exploits that runs clients $2.5 million a year. The Cayman botnet-analytics package gets you access to a database of Internet addresses, organization names, and worm types for hundreds of millions of infected computers, and costs $1.5 million."

Exploiting an unknowable amount of users of a service as to hunt them. Using illegally harvested data from botnets, while others get hunted and prosecuted for coding them.

This tiered society where the legally immune can profit off acts that get others jailed. The market manipulation that comes with bribing companies for data access, the government giving less regulatory oversight to companies it has secret 'deals' with.

For the sake of society, economy, basic morality. It must end.

[1] http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Endgame_Systems

"the US isn't likely to be too intimidated by the large blustering egos of amateur militias and their (largely) civilian firearms"

Why on earth has the US issued a global terror alert? Is there some global terror network that can really hit 21 diplomatic facilities or is the threat more local focused than that?

The US is a scared, self-defensive beast. It fears anyone with a lathe.

Pardon the esoteric* nature of the commentary, hard to avoid given the highly focused niche of actors involved.

*Esoteric content may trigger filtering depending on jurisdiction and I do apologize for such if it occurs.

Compare information (metadata) collected on criminal scofflaws working under the cloak of US government contract against the acts the government finds reason to prosecute others of.

I highly recommend ProjectPM[1] started by folks including the US government prosecuted Barrett Brown[2]. As well as Blue Cabinet[3], started by Telecomix, the folks that strove to provide free dial-up to dissidents under digital/physical attack[4] while leaking[5] gigabytes upon gigabytes[6] of BlueCoat surveillance/ISP proxy logs from equipment illegally acquired by Assad.

Both sites work under the same premise, from ProjectPM: "Project PM operates this wiki in order to provide a centralized, actionable data set regarding the intelligence contracting industry, the PR industry's interface with totalitarian regimes, the mushrooming infosec/"cybersecurity" industry, and other issues constituting threats to human rights, civic transparency, individual privacy, and the health of democratic institutions."

From Blue Cabinet: "The Telecomix Blue Cabinet is a working wiki project to document vendors and manufacturers of surveillance equipment that are used in dictatorships and democracies around the internets."

Stored within is a wealth of information of the US government and others hiring mercenaries to spy on children as an example of technical skill for a deal with private entity US Chamber of Commerce as retaliation against Wikileaks[7], amongst other things.

The data sources involved include the aforementioned BlueCoat leak as well as the HBGary leak[8]. The data being the excuse to prosecute Barrett Brown of ProjectPM[9]. So do be careful unless you like being on an absurd amount of lists.

Activity such as deploying exploits on an unknowable amount of users, hacking of dissidents, _the government itself referring private entities like US Chamber of Commerce/Bank of America to the same firms it uses for surveillance work, as to target journalists like Glenn Greenwald[7]_. Makes using wget to ex-filtrate files quicker seem downright saintly.

[1] http://wiki.project-pm.org/wiki/Main_Page

[2] http://www.thenation.com/article/174851/strange-case-barrett...

[3] http://bluecabinet.info/wiki/Blue_cabinet

[4] http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/jul/07/telecomix-...

[5] https://en.rsf.org/syria-syria-using-34-blue-coat-servers-23...

[6] http://bluesmote.com/

[7] http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/02/11/143669/chamberle...

[8] https://thepiratebay.sx/search/hbgary/0/99/0

[9] http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/doj-issues-subpoe...

Who is relevant then?

FBI, who happens to work as a conduit for the NSA, along with any number of the other acronym boys? Or the corporations they hire while handing out legal immunity for the actions they are hired for? Or Google and others who also accept payoffs and immunity for helping monitor the acronym boy's targets?

How is the various crony corporations publicizing these deeds as services not relevant? This is the subject of exploits being used on users of a host whose owner was arrested, correct?

I am readily awaiting a more logical answer than another contracted service like Endgame and their pool of exploits they are so ready to use on the non legally immune citizens of the world. Or companies like Google for going along with the dragnet monitoring and exploitation of dissidents.

All of them are connected by virtue of payoffs, insider trading, market manipulation. None of it is irrelevant.

In the thread on the apparent code injection portion of this topic[1], I heavily suggested governments with the US at the least being responsible for the deed[2]. With a corporation like Endgame Systems being a probable contractor for the act[3].

Something I've brought up a few times with my commentary previously and mentioned by some here is governments using tactics they prosecute others for: "There are even target packs for democratic countries in Europe and other U.S. allies. Maui (product names tend toward alluring warm-weather locales) is a package of 25 zero-day exploits that runs clients $2.5 million a year."

Sometimes using the very tools made by those hunted, prosecuted, renditioned: "The Cayman botnet-analytics package gets you access to a database of Internet addresses, organization names, and worm types for hundreds of millions of infected computers, and costs $1.5 million."

How long can citizens of nations involved in enabling and hiring these mercenaries keep faith in the law of the land, let alone those tasked to uphold it? How long can the tiered system of the monitored/hunted/renditioned and the legally immune last, with the legally immune being paid by the former?

Stop attempting to code around this human issue. Please.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6154246

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6154819

[3] http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Endgame_Systems

The US government, copyright locusts beg to differ.

It is NSA[1]. No implication needed. FBI nabs host owner and suddenly code is injected to exploit all end users? Rather tired of people downplaying these events at every attempt. What does your comment add? At least the parent comment you are responding hinted at a potential suspect.

Perhaps he doesn't want to be hunted either directly implicating the US for the US's work.

Seriously, bring something to the discussion if you are going to be asking others to do the same.

By the way the person who started the site linked is being prosecuted by the DoJ[2], no doubt with others involved being hunted down as well. I'm sure there is no implications to any of this.

[1] http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Endgame_Systems

[2] http://www.thenation.com/article/174851/strange-case-barrett...

I've referenced Endgame Systems before[1], exploiting end users for-profit via for figures like the NSA is their type of game.

"There are even target packs for democratic countries in Europe and other U.S. allies. Maui (product names tend toward alluring warm-weather locales) is a package of 25 zero-day exploits that runs clients $2.5 million a year.[2]"

Endgame's product list was not marked classified, a product meant for distribution only to the likes of the NSA but peddled amongst fellow for-profit "whitehat" in arms. Yet another company with immunity to laws others are hunted and imprisoned for.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6115881

[2] http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Endgame_Systems

It is not a strictly US based community.

In the spirit of other hobbyists the DIYDrones community often laces their posts with warnings about heeding local laws. Larger projects are often based from airports so talk is had about regulations involved as well.

Aside from the individuals on the site asking others to research and listen to local laws/regulations articles on laws around RC craft and drones in various nations are also posted frequently.

It's been lovely seeing the community grow. Welcome all.

Digitally stalked due to dissent by for-profit "Domain Awareness Centers" run by SAIC[1].

[1] http://oaklandwiki.org/Domain_Awareness_Center

Persistent targeting, one way or another, by drones managed by SAIC[1].

[1] http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/06/14/news-saic-wins-95-mil...

A stay in a penitentiary helped managed by SAIC[1].

[1] http://www.alanco.com/news_040104.asp

It took me a moment to figure out why your comment didn't read right, then it clicked.

You are wondering if building more towers would be a solution for people, due to high housing costs, occupying a tower that never finished construction.

The United States government is serving as a cash funnel/legal immunity shield to corporations sometimes made by the government itself[1].

Anyone who defects from or defies them is labeled a traitor or prosecuted in full[2]. Those who attempt to collate information on these entities and persons are tracked by the sitting government at the behest of these immune corporations[3].

All the while tax payer resources are used to forcibly alter public opinion on a subject involving government conflict of interests. Great.

[1] (Project PM) http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Endgame_Systems

[2] (Started Project PM) http://www.thenation.com/article/174851/strange-case-barrett...

[3] (DoJ Seeking Info on Project PM) http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/doj-issues-subpoe...