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This illustrates the confusion around infrastructure and apps by 'devops' in a rather telling way. It's a bit like comparing Mysql or Postgresql and Aurora. Both give you databases and even some builtin replication technology but only one gives you databases plus availability and scalability out of the box.

Without that you would have to engineer your own distributed architecture and actually have the infrastructure in terms of bandwidth, regions, networking and data centers to scale to.

AWS gives you availability and scalability out of the box. Usually only a cloud provider can give you that with physical infrastructure in multiple regions, bandwidth, networking, things like floating ips, replicated storage and in the case of things like Aurora architecture and engineering. Kubernetes is a container orchestration application.

If we were living in the jungle no one has to care about anything beyond their own survival, but if you live in a 'civilized' society then by definition you can't behave like you are in a jungle and there are certain responsibilities on adults.

For instance employing women may bring additional days offs due to child birth and the society has to structurally think about these things and security and well being of the entire society or the generation may well end in a single run. Short term thinking does not survive.

Greed and selfishness is not new. There are always those who live in civilized societies and all the benefits it entails but do not want the responsibilities that the word 'civilized' places on them both in thought and action, and want to pretend they are living in a jungle for purely selfish reasons.

Here is a link to the UN press release already linked in the comment so there was no need to search.

[1] https://www.ohchr.org/en/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?N...

Here is the interview of the UN rapporteur, this is not 'some single person'. This is the official UN rapporteur for Venezuela who is on the ground and provides a lot of facts and details in the interview.

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii5MlQgGXyk

No one can take the position that they trust a Wikipedia page over the official UN representative in the region so it seems like you are not interested in the truth.

There is no need to speculate about bias. There is a link to a full hour interview above with the UN rapporteur for Venezuela about the facts on the ground. What is a more credible source?

UN reports are routinely used by the US, Europe, the global media and many others as credible sources.

Given there is a history of illegal regime change and installing puppet regimes in South America that cause suffering to millions of people there is a clear need for anyone genuinely concerned about human rights and democracy to be wary of self serving interests using propaganda to further their own agendas.

How is designing for laptop networking for a system predominantly used as a server with marginal desktop market share justified. Why not roll out something discrete for the negligible percent of laptop users instead of imposing configuration overhead on all users?

Debian prides itself on stability but voted for an 'init' that is rapidly changing with unlimited scope outside the purview of Debian. Thus we have a lot of extremely questionable networking functionality like 'predictable network names' and more just rolled out and 'imposed' on everyone without discussion, debate or technical scrutiny by a single group.

Alpine Linux servers and VMs boot in seconds and are easy to configure and use. Void is equally fast for desktop users. The real problem seems to be a lot of developers are unfamiliar with the shell and its extensive use in everything from the system to the apps ecosystem. And we are left with a situation where the shell is demonized by people who are not familiar with it.

You clearly haven't read the links from the UN itself that comprehensively debunk these kind of uninformed propaganda.

Over 150 observers from 30 countries [1] observed the elections and declared it free and fair so you are spreading uninformed propaganda.

For those interested in the truth please watch the in depth interview with the UN rapporteur [2] to understand what is happening on the ground. Normal people will take the word of the UN rapporteur and multiple independent observers. For those merely interested in abusing the lives of millions of innocent people, 'democracy' and 'human rights' to further greed filled agendas the truth does not matter.

[1] https://fair.org/home/media-delegitimize-venezuelan-election...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii5MlQgGXyk

Doesn't this apply to the 2 party system in the US too with both republicans and democrats following the same neoliberal policies over the last 40 years?

Democracy only works with effective choice and at the moment we seem to have the motions of choice but no real change.

Who is 'we'? The Venezuelans already elected their leader. This is a brazen coup attempt by the US to destabilize a democratically elected government and install a puppet oligarchy.

The UN rapporteur for Venezuela has a report for anyone interested [1][2]. Venezuela has an advanced election system, better than the US according to many, and all elections have been monitored by multiple global organizations including the carter center.

Michael Bolton and other leading US administration officials have already admitted this is about oil. Recognizing a self declared president with no elections and openly orchestrating coups is NOT supporting democracy. This is a violation of the UN charter and a mockery of democracy, rule of law and human rights.

[1] https://www.ohchr.org/en/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?N...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii5MlQgGXyk

Another cynical thread derail on HN. The serious problems with plastics, out of control plastic use and waste is swiftly trivialized into an individualized 'consumer problem' and 'meat eating' problem ie let's not do anything.

The first comment is splitting hairs about what kind of plastic waste with an irrelevant link to a story about plastic nets? This when the article clearly shows and mentions 40kg of plastic bags and there are thousands of articles and studies on the toxic impact of plastic on marine life. These kind of irresponsible comments are a serious problem as it makes readers feel we live in an uncaring world.

Eat less fish? Only those who haven't thought about the world or those who profit from plastic respond in this cavalier fashion to serious global issues. Not a word about the packaging industry, regulating the use of better packing and nets, or the inability of consumers to make choices because race to the bottom leaves no effective alternatives.

Instead lets dissipate responsibility, affect 'helplessness' and do nothing while the destruction of the planet continues unabated. This is a small minded ideology that puts the 'freedom' of a few to profit without constraints above all else.

If you think Snowden leaks was about 'one illegal program' you are seriously misinformed and have a lot of catching up to do. These are large scale and illegal mass surveillance programs. [1][2][3][4][5]. More can be found here. [6]

No one has been held accountable for these illegal programs. The then head of NSA James Clapper brazenly lied to Congress and has still not being held accountable. [7]. On the contrary there is a grand jury out to get Assange, Manning is back in jail and Snowden is being hounded and in exile. No good deed goes unpunished.

China had nothing to do with the Snowden leaks or any of these secret mass surveillance programs as you will discover. Happy reading!

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairview_(surveillance_program...

[5]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundless_Informant

[6] https://theintercept.com/search/?s=snowden

[7] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/19/republicans-co...

There has been zero consequences from the entire set of revelations. What is the incentive to continue to do investigate journalism as great risk to one self when there are no results?

What Snowden seems to have inadvertently revealed is a culture that is a lot more interested in posturing around these issues than the issues themselves. And its those breaking the illusion be it Snowden, Manning or Assange who will face the music while civil society looks the other way.

This idea of a world with chinese and russian trolls with no mention of other state actors seems to be missing a rather big part of the picture.

This is a witch hunt that will undermine confidence in the global economic system. Everything one can accuse Huawei of can be applied against any tech company - and for some with hard evidence and most here know.

This can easily backfire with tech companies being banned and excluded from markets on frivolous grounds without due process in the same way.

It cannot just be some can undermine competition and limit access to markets with scaremongering and wild allegations. If free markets and competition are mere political constructs to benefit a few then the whole system is effectively over.

The article mentions horrific abuse of 2 of the children including being tied up in chains and forced to work and the rape and abuse of the other leading to an unwanted pregnancy an being sent to a home for pregnant girls. And one of the kids becoming violent and sent to prison.

This is clearly not the road to a civilized society. History shows all cultures and religion dominated by stable societies and family structures going back thousands of years, and while things like famines, war, epidemics, slavery and others led to breakdown, desperation and widespread suffering they cannot be passed as 'normal' in any age or gloss over abnormal human behavior.

If we think of open source as an ideology that drove people to plant trees and tend them so that users get fruits for free at a time when fruits are only commercially available then the point becomes a bit more complicated.

We now have a cottage industry of people who harvest the fruits and sell them so end users don't have to pick them themselves and also others who use the free fruits to manufacture and sell milkshakes at higher margins than if they would have to grow their own fruits or buy them.

The relationship with end users and ideology is broken as is the pipeline of new contributors as end users do not anymore see the value and ideas that drove the initial plantations as they deal with fruit pickers and milkshake makers.

At this point open source loses its reason to exist and the people still planting and offering fruits for free will inevitably question what they are doing if they are only enabling third party businesses, but inertia means they will continue as that's their life work. But there is unlikely to be a second generation after them so that's the end of the movement. The story here is the commercial interests have cut the branch on which they and everyone else sit. For them it doesn't matter its just money not ideology and they will find ways to profit but the loss is to end users. So for open source to be meaningful its has to think carefully about how it will interact with commercial interests as mix and match will kill it in a generation.

This is vaguely discomforting but perhaps inevitable in a world where open source is sponsored, funded or developed by corporate interests.

The connection with end users and ideology has been broken as everything from the kernel to major projects are corporate funded and driven.

And most inadvertently acknowledge this when they raise concerns about the sustainability of projects without financial or corporate backing. The exploding complexity of things like browsers and projects like Systemd make the idea of individuals and smalls team developing alternatives without corporate backing a non stater.

Most open source projects in the last 10 years would see this kind of acquisition as an ideal outcome and for vc funded ones a necessary one. Even a 'fork' of Nginx at this time would most likely be driven by commercial motives so the 'vague discomfort' expressed in this comment itself is perhaps misplaced.

This is rich coming from the head of AEI, an organization which is part of a network of think tanks funded by the likes of Koch that have been bootstrapped to promote corporate interests and a worldview where there is no society only 'wealth creators' and workers. [1]

Wendy Brown, Philip Mirowski and Nancy Maclean [2][3][4] have gone into immense detail on how these organizations are created and operated behind the scenes to fund and spread self serving ideology and propaganda.

They have huge problem with collectives of workers but see no problems with organizing themselves into 'groups' to not only lobby Congress, but sponsor university economics departments and hire thousands of people to push these self serving views in the press for decades on end. This itself compromises this project for untenable self serving hypocrisy. Its for individuals who buy into these narratives to question if organizing to promote and further their interests for decades is good for the wealthiest why is is not good for workers?

There are thousands of people whose job it is to come up with decontextualized words like 'wealth creators', 'job creators' to create a halo narratives for corporate interests and undermine society, citizenship, the social good, the environment that make 'wealth creation' even possible. So all those take a backseat to 'wealth creator' interests. Since you can't create wealth without society these two cannot be separated but since there are no civil, citizen or worker groups and structures to counter these anti-social narratives you don't get balance but a one sided self interested perspective.

In the AEI world the only thing that matters is people like Kochs business and personal interests and making sure government is not 'impinging on their freedom'. And to achieve this they propagate a fundamental anti-human narrative and create an environment where ordinary people and workers are held in contempt for even expecting living wages and conditions and their access to basic achievements of western democracy like education, health care and living conditions is consistently hollowed out to promote privatization and become 'entitlements'. And we are left with a decontextualized unstable individualized view of the world that exists in a collective but is forcefully detached into a context less existence.

[1] https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/American_Enterprise_In...

[2] https://www.ineteconomics.org/uploads/papers/WP23-Mirowski.p...

[3] https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/undoing-demos

[4] https://www.theoryculturesociety.org/review-wendy-browns-und...

[5] https://history.duke.edu/book/democracy-chains

[6] Wendy Brown - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eowEmcS75JM

[7] Nancy Maclean - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqQ_dIjr3uU

This thread defines 'whataboutism'. It's supposed to be about Warren's new 3 page tech regulation bill but has more than 600 comments rehashing telecom regulation issues discussed thousands of times, without engaging a single point raised by Warren. This looks like a derail.

There are urgent issues with Google and monopoly, search, chrome, amp, android and youtube and once you combine that with Facebook a toxic predatory surveillance capitalism model based on harvesting and collating private data to build dossiers that is ominous for any free society.

But for the tech community on the frontlines of this project the old issues of Comcast and Verizon unresolved inspite of decades of heated debate are more urgent. If anyone doubted Upton Sinclars famous insight here is the evidence.

This is some sort of collective 'memory loss' on these issues. Activists and journalists have been put under surveillance, infiltrated, harassed, put on lists and singled out at airports.[1] The harassment of keystone activists and protestors is ongoing [2], Laura Poitras harassment and surveillance is well documented [3][4], and evidence keeps popping out but there is some sort of dissonance and rationalization in play.

After the Snowden revelations this should not surprise anyone but most articles on these issues have bland assertions of 'law' disconnected from events on the ground. Contrast that with articles on China, Russia that are met with indignation and outrage for the exact same issues.

Its like using 'moderation' as a euphemism for censorship when it happens here, while continuing to shout censorship in other cases. If China or Russia did this it would be unilaterally condemned as totalitarian and oppression but because we did it there must be some 'rule of law' reason. People who care about these issues would be outraged wherever it happens. Selective outrage gives oppressive governments a pass and dilutes fundamental issues people claim to care about.

[1] https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/rights-protesters/6-wa...

[2] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/sep/20/keystone...

[3] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/11/government-documents-s...

[4] https://www.democracynow.org/shows/2012/4/20

There is a middle ground of recognizing serious systemic issues in both gender and race and being concerned by some of the issues around intersectionality, speech and feelings.

There is too much indignation, hysteria and manufactured outrage of the thou doth protest too much variety that only create further suspicion of not good faith engagement but dismissal based on privilege. This only entrenches extreme suspicions of ideas from places of privilege as predictable reaction to loss of status.

We have one side that are tone deaf with constant appeals to an imagined counter reality that is ahistorical and 'data-centic' that anyone with historical knowledge can immediately dismiss as wishful thinking masquerading as truth, and the other that have identified stubborn pervasive social, mental, physical structures of systemic victimization but seem unable to articulate the way forward outside the identification and demonization.

No one gives power, its always taken. The intersectionality architecture of feminism is impressive intellectual work even if you do not agree and the counter to this is very weak, simplistic and basic lacking any kind of intellectual plank, rigour or serious thinking beyond the same kind of sterile 'free markets meritocracy' narrative that is being dismantled in the economic sphere outside these movements, name calling and appeals to tradition. This has sent one group down a dangerous path of a 'glorious past' and complete regression in every facet of human thinking and enlightenment of the Bannon, Urbit variety and other advocating a 'nothing is really wrong status quo' of plain jane Peterson conservative and libertarians.

These issues should have been solved generations ago but they still persist and its time to let newer generations and newer thinking give it a go.

Anything serious on arm runs the risk of throttling. Upping performance will see more consumption and power usage.

The even bigger problem is ARMs closed nature with no support for the open off the shelf culture that has made the PC industry what it is today. ARM is about closed SOCs, closed drivers and closed vendors and this in effect closes up the drivers and software ecosystem.

Something like Linux and the open source movement would not have happened with this hardware model, and it a paradox of our times that it is Linux developed because of the open culture of x86 that is used to support this closed model. There is something ironic even parasitic about this.

There are large forces of centralization and control currently in play and getting excited about a closed ecosystem becoming mainstream seems shortsighted for the tech ecosystem and consumers who have benefited from widespread choice, competition and the open source movement in x86.

Most have no clue of the scope of stalking and creepiness currently ongoing, or in fact the depth of data being collected, collated and invasive profiling involved.

Google, Facebook and others have a whole collection of intentionally misleading dialogues and practices that deceptively conceal what they are doing under the catchall of 'improving user experience' or some such thing. Surely if they actually thought people 'don't care' all these firms and technical folks involved won't feel the need to be deceptive.

This comes across more as tech folks trying to offload their own responsibility in designing, building and profiting from surveillance systems by wishing that people didn't care.

Then what's the point of having standards?

One could make the case Firefox is trying to 'protect users' if they resisted or protested any of the user hostile standards you mention, but Firefox has implemented all of them.

It's just this case and this is not 'user hostile'. If they are going their own way there must be transparency, disclosure and reasoning. But in the bug reports they are denying it.

The standards explicitly name and allow 127.0.0.1 and localhost. Is there any value in rehashing this?

This works perfectly on Chrome and all other browsers. Its only Firefox which is a problem. So its for Mozilla to explain why they are going against the standards and other browsers.

A standard website cannot access your local services. 127.0.0.1 and localhost are local addresses to the server, not the end user system. Private addresses cannot be accessed over the public internet.

This is about a server accessing backend local services on the server or local private network via a SSL terminating reverse proxy etc.

This is a pattern. Mozilla and others are furthering the interests of gatekeepers under the pretext of 'end user security'. The browser community have been scaremongering against self signed certs for years now and yet are happily handing 'authority' to shady projects in the middle east. What does one make of that?

Because of this obsession with 'central authority' even local ajax calls to 127.0.0.1 and localhost are blocked by Mozilla. What is even worse is they are doing this intentionally inspite of the standards explicitly not requiring this for localhost or 127.0.0.1 and are misleading users on bug reports and wasting their time. [1][2][3]

Some have wasted days mucking about with cors headers and ssl only to realize this is a Firefox only issue. Even Chrome which is not shy about furthering gatekeepers and their own interests doesn't do this. Needless to say this is not a problem on any other browser.

[1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=903966

[2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1440370

[3] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51269439/why-are-my-requ...

There is a larger issue of a level playing field. These kind of subsidies are a race to the bottom.

Instead of business growing the overall economy they shrink the economy by the amount paid out in subsides, since these businesses will be built anyway if not here somewhere else in the country that is a overall loss to the country. So you are actually subsidizing business on the national level, which is why businesses should not be allowed to cynically play off states against another.

Focusing on localized gains by the logic of 'something is better than nothing' misses the bigger picture and is misleading and disingenuous.

It's like if tax payers could be incentivized to file in different regions by competitive breaks to grow the local tax filing economy and revenue of various regions, that is a shrinking of overall tax revenue though it may be a rise for specific regions.

Due process can also be used to oppress. Totalitarian systems are about 'process'. Customs officers going through your personal papers in US airports like the stasi is 'due process'. Secret courts and secret orders are also 'due process', not being able to speak out against arbitrary gag orders is also 'due process'.

Whistle blowers and activists being harassed, surveilled or infiltrated by law enforcement or not a single person being held to account after the NSA revelations is 'due process'. Users being spied and stalked on by an assortment of SV companies and state agencies via the internet, phones, facial recognition, licence plates do not seem to have access to the basic right to privacy or any recourse to due process.

These binary statements about 'rule of law', 'due process', dissent, democracy comes across as theoretical and disconnected from the complexity and events in the real world.

There is a lot of finger pointing at China and wild claims by people who don't care about these things. After Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, threatening Iran and now with open meddling and orchestrating coups in Venezuela its utterly absurd to pretend to care about human rights or democracy.

Apparently you can do the same thing every time and cause catastrophic devastation, kill millions and put millions of families in disarray and continue to claim 'innocence'. And some here talk about Tienanmen in 1989 as if none of the above happened, while colluding with regressive regimes like Saudi Arabia as we speak to bomb Yemen.

In the same way some care about surveillance, but only in China. The NSA revelations, secret courts, secret orders, Snowden and Assange being hounded and not a single person held accountable has nothing to do with surveillance, rule of law or democracy. Google, Facebook and others making billions spying on the world and building invasive profiles is not surveillance. US law enforcement demanding to go through your phones and laptops at airports like the stasi is not a police state. Credit scores and social credit are somehow different. This is a culture of smug finger pointing based on dissonance.

This is an orchestrated sabotage of a company perceived to be a threat by some interests with zero evidence or due process in collusion with a global media that is apparently not too reliant on evidence or investigation. This will be lesson for many on capitalism, free trade and the 'natural constraints' of our global system.

How the mighty have fallen. From once defending freedom and liberty to advocating looking the other way when an app that grossly violates the basic human rights of an entire gender shows up.

The top voted comment betrays the current moral compass of the tech community, nothing is too regressive to not 'normalize' and hand wave away.

But given the community's U turn from freedom lovers to supporters of invasive profiling and eager builders of surveillance systems this yet more evidence of the community's dramatic slide into irrelevance, unless the conversation is about startups or money.

The good news is for those with some moral spine this is not going to fly. There is no way Google or Apple can continue to host this app once it is widely known. Others will fight and win this battle while you plot your next billion dollar unicorn to 'save the world'.