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The maintainer literally responded to someone else making a similar claim in this HN thread to say that this is now the meaning of that license clause. Someone else posted the Cornell Law legal dictionary definition of 'commercial purposes'. It is really annoying that people who write software suddenly think they are legal experts who can make these kinds of ridiculous claims anytime 'licenses' come up. Instead of making stuff up off the top of your head as though it was factual, please defer to experts in the field. On legal issues this is particularly annoying.

There are numerous issues with the 'privacy-preserving' federated learning models that are used by Google and Apple. They have constantly been called out by privacy researchers and cryptographers due to their misuse of differential privacy. There is very little trust in the privacy-preserving measures that are being used by these companies. This is not to say that these methods are bad in general but in terms of how they are used by Google and Apple, they amount to little more than a PR stunt. There are numerous reconstruction attacks on their privacy protocols as used by things like GBoard.

They also have: https://sourcefirst.com

I don't need to see the link, I am aware of what your stance roughly is. I'm saying:

Why are you so intolerant of the freedoms of other people to make their own choices about what license structures are best for them and their needs?

Developers should have the freedom to choose whatever license they please. Just because you have a pet category of license structure that you think everyone should use, why can't you be respectful of those who choose other options?

It is essentially you forcing your narrow definition of what you think licenses are and how they should be structured onto everyone else?

Why can't people simply say they understand the various licensing options but they choose one that isn't the one you like after a careful consideration? Are they simply not allowed to have a diffferent opinion than you?

If you make your argument and the maintainer still chooses another license, that is a failure on the part of the FSF to properly sell their mission or elaborate their arguments. Does the fact that someone chose something other than what you prefer mean that you now need to go around evangelizing every time that any non-FOSS license is used?

I think you are being incredibly harsh about the licensing structure, they are simply trying to make sure companies with keyboard apps like Google don't steal their work out from under them by adding in a non-commercial clause. Lots of companies have this Elastic Search License, Business Source License, etc. There are numerous companies who have used permissive licenses only to be horribly burned by companies stealing their work out from underneathe them and they have subsequently used non-OSI approved licenses.

Why is it such a bad thing for developers to license there work however they please in a way that fits with the goals and values of their individual project? Here the keyboard maintainer wants to use a license that isn't FOSS, why is this so concerning to you that they have opinions which differ from yours?

As a paying customer the answer is that you don't get any features other than a thing saying that you paid. It is similar to donating to Signal Foundation where you don't get some 'new feature' within the Signal app for having paid, you just get a little thing next to your user icon showing that you did. It is a support badge.

I think that is a ridiculously incorrect and bad faith interpretation of the license clauses.

I've said this many times but I dislike that I have to make an account before I even know what the product is or if I will like it enough to justify an account. I hunted around for a sec and I could not find anything that would let me see a real demo or example of the product that didn't require making an account.

Doing something like Airtable[0] is much more effective (not affiliated just a product I use), where I can go from the landing page to embedded product demos that require no login in seconds. It would be great to have something embedded like this or more detailed screencaps at least which showcase the product prior to me having to sign in.

[0] https://www.airtable.com/templates

Absolutely, you could get some great value for that on ebay, or grailed.com

How much do you weigh? That sounds close to right for most people I think.

As someone with a relative currently going through bankruptcy, I can assure you that every student would not go through this process. It is incredibly difficult, intensive, and horrible process that takes years. It is not pleasant and I think that the idea that it would be utilized in this way by students is totally coming from a place of ignorance of what modern bankruptcy actually entails.

It should be pointed out that in a country like India or China it IS often the marketplaces legal responsibility to prevent counterfeit merchandise from being sold in their market. If you go into many malls for example there are signs up on the walls with a hotline to report people selling counterfeit merchandise. In India, they have a service you can contact that enforces returns/refunds of any counterfeit item that you purchase from a vendor (though usually mentioning the hotline and threatening to call it is more than enough to convince the vendor to give you a refund).

I don't think it has as much to do with wealth as it has to do with how interesting/accomplished the person is, the more slack we give them culturally. The more boring/ordinary a person is, the less slack we give them in western culture. A poor person whose life has interesting or compelling elements to it also seem to get a ton of slack culturally for crimes.

In that context he was talking about for future releases of the project, if the others in that thread forked the project right this minute, it would still be MIT.

I'm a "young person" who chose not to move to the Bay. The market will eventually even out based on the policy and perception of a given city on generational-timescales. SF didn't become tech/VC capital overnight, and it won't decline over night either. It will decline one junior or midlevel dev at a time going to one of the cities I mentioned or Austin/Miami/etc.

There is VC money in NYC, Chicago, Boston, and Seattle, and I can work at Google or Facebook from most of those cities. I will never move to SF in the condition it is in, and I'm sure many other people feel the same. These opportunities exist elsewhere.

I think you are missing the point that the other poster is attempting to argue. If you look at the recent revival and rejuvenation of alt-right and far right politics that has recently occurred in the US and actually look at their media what it is that they are saying? It isn't some racist screed it is things like complaining that college admissions are no longer fair for white or asian males. Immigration issues are often framed as being not about hate of a minority but about the potential loss of opportunities for white/asian men in society.

The main complaint that has driven this entire recent cycle of upswing in alt-right and far right movements is this preferential treatment and critiques of it. Young white men who complain about college admission inequality get sucked into a siphon of hatred at inequality and preferential treatment that ends in racism. So like the other person was trying to argue, "helping out is what perpetuates segregation". This inequality breeds statistically significant increases in racial hatred even if it has a good intent.

I don't think anyone is accusing people of not listening to each other, at least not in the context of this thread. The issue is people actively listen, and then decline to provide any meaningful feedback on what they just heard as a means to avoid controversy. Me listening to someone doesn't do much good if I decline to contribute to the conversation afterwards.

Completely agree, in the face of a person who is possibly hostile, or just in general a person that generates a lot of uncertainty what incentive could you give me not to stay silent?

People need to think about it in terms of incentives, what incentive do I have to try communicating with an incredible mindfulness and scrutiny that I might then fail at. The failure to do so properly could have potentially endless downsides? The default incentive is always going to be avoidance as much as possible. Not because of any desire to be sexist, but because is the instinctive path of least resistance.

The path of least resistance requires less work? I don't disagree with your view on this but it seems like the incentives simply aren't aligned to learn how to dodge an ever evolving anti-sexist culture that is interpreted as having different communication rules by different people. If it was as easy as like "don't misgender people" or something sure, fine everyone can learn the rules of the protocol in under 15 minutes. There is no reason why anyone can't do that. The rules for interacting aren't this simple though, and they are often differently interpreted by different people. Learning how to communicate in a way that makes every person feel comfortable often just isn't worth the time investment. If we want people to take this other option it has to have significant and demonstrable positive incentives that make people want to invest the time.

Show me an affordable house in on the edge of NYC in the "undesirable" neighborhoods. Even if you pick neighborhoods past where subway lines end (a very undesirable quality for city property to have) that also happen to be high crime areas it is still too expensive for anyone to purchase. Like two examples look at New Lots/East New York and South Ozone Park/Jamaica. Both fit my description above, they are at the very edge of subway access, and are high crime areas, and both are too expensive for normal middle class people to buy property in.

Contrast this with great people I've met who are ~60 now, who just stumbled into the east village/alphabet city in the 1980s in their mid-20s and bought up cheap houses while bumming around paycheck to paycheck. What area of NYC or the valley can I do that in now? If the answer is none, and you can't point me to a city in the midwest or south where buying up cheap affordable property IS going to turn me into a multimillionaire when I'm ~50 what does that mean for our growth/stagnation culturally and as a country? This is the difference, there is no place that even has the faintest whiff of a city that is about to take off where such gains would even be possible.

In other countries that have similar issues in Europe, where a lot of cities are unbelievably expensive there are two solutions that you see a lot. One is that it is culturally common to live with your entire extended family and not be able to afford a house, and the second is welfare or new home ownership incentives that make it more viable. "Rugged Individualism" in American mindsets and cultures makes both options seem untenable but clearly we have to adapt.

The sentence that you said in reply to the other poster, "Automating every aspect of student loan repayment for fintechs and workplace benefits providers." explained to me what the product does more than 95% of the sites landing copy.

A sentence approximately like this, or a problem statement, followed by a sentence like this, should be at the very top of the landing page. The stuff about student loan superpowers, was confusing to me and some of the material sounded like it was possibly written by someone who wasn't a native speaker.

I was being a bit harsh offhandedly. If I was making a full assessment of the product I would say that it has a market. You can't really do what I'm talking about with the tor onion router, because google blocks tons of tor traffic from accessing its services and wont even let you do a captcha cloudflare-style a lot of the time.

As someone who uses tor everyday, you basically can't get any higher quality general purpose search than duckduckgo or searx to actually load over onion routing. If you position yourself in such a way that your results engine returns queries on par with those two (or preferably better) you will have a rock solid product in your hands.

That is what the authors stated means in practice, so your assessment is correct. This seems trivial, like I can just use an onion router for this.

I've been watching for awhile. The road map said it was going to be out in ~a month, a year or two ago. Excuse my skepticism, but I feel like I've been following the eternally shifting roadmap long enough to warrant it. I like Haskell, I flipped through their Plutus example code, I want to use the product! They should just ship what they have.

Maybe it is just me, but I read down the whole landing page and I can't tell what the product does or who it is for. The API docs page didn't help with my understanding.

They still don't have a smart contract platform launched on the mainnet afaik. The only reason to use it in my mind is as an alternative to Ethereum, NEO, EOS, etc in the smart contract space. Every year that goes by where it does not have it's core competitive feature in a production-ready state is a nail in the coffin from my perspective.

I would upvote this a hundred times if I could. I don't understand where this kind of demand for further understanding even comes from we are well past the point where it could have been written off as a fad and it is obvious there is value to it. There is no reason why everyone should feel the need to "get it" or get value out of it to understand that other people do get it and do get value out of it.

It is such a weird sentiment to me because it would never occur to me to devalue the value others get out of things I don't understand. I hate bonds, I don't "get" why anyone would want to buy bonds, people have tried to explain it to me. I decided that I will never buy a bond in my life because they are just the dumbest form of investment. I can hold that sentiment whilst saying "I don't get why they buy them but clearly there is a lot of value from the vehicle and it is clearly a valid form". I don't see why I should need to understand an monetary vehicle or like an investment vehicle to understand that some people do, and those people have a valid opinion.

The fact that a cancellation I undergo now will be seen as unjust after I'm elderly does nothing for me.

One is a legal framework with rules that govern how it is applied, even if you don't like that framework you can understand it. Cancel culture on the other hand does not have a specific set of rules. It is constantly changing and unevenly enforced by random people. When things are wildly unpredictable there is fear.