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You won’t get much traction on here but you’re right, I think democrats often project issues actually happening on their own side

It’s not a response to the article, it’s a response to the headline which says “Apple ‘broke law’” when they haven’t been found guilty yet and is clearly utilizing quotes to make clickbait without getting sued, I may choose to read it to get one side of the story but I am not getting real journalism given that headline

my comment probably deserves downvote as it’s not related to the article, but I wanted to condemn a headline obviously meant to lure people who hate Apple and want organized labor to click on it, rather than real journalism

I think almost by definition a layoff is to remove redundant/bottom performers to keep the machine clean and lean, that’s capitalism for ya

This is a genuinely interesting perspective that I think nails my original point and fear of AI being used as “spark notes” for complex topics. To me, LLMs are like a calculator for language, except the math is always changing (if that makes sense), and I’m not sure I like where that’s heading as the first cohorts of AI tutored kids learn from these kinds of procedurally generated output rather than reading the original historical texts, or maybe it’s fine that not everyone reads Plato but more people at least have heard of his concepts? Idk philosophy is pretty far outside my expertise, maybe I should open a book

I only added “Explain the reference to Plato’s Cave below:\n\n” before the copy pasted parent comment

What comes to mind is how language itself is merely a projection of human knowledge? experience? culture? social group? and trying to reverse engineer any kind of ground truth from language alone (like an LLM trying to “reason” through complex problems it’s not explicitly taught) is like trying to derive truth from the shadows while locked in the cave? maybe we just need more/higher fidelity shadows :)

Hi I’m just a random internet stranger passing by and was intrigued by Plato’s Cave as I’m not a fancy person who reads books. GPT-4o expanded for you quite well, but I’m not sure how I feel about it…

Using AI how I just did feels like cheating on an English class essay by using spark notes, getting a B+, and moving right on to the next homework assignment.

On one hand, I didn’t actually read Plato to learn and understand this connection, nor do I have a good authority to verify if this output is a good representation of his work in the context of your comment.

And yet, while I’m sure students could always buy or loan out reference books to common student texts in school, AI now makes this “spark notes” process effectively a commodity for almost any topic, like having a cross-domain low-cost tutor instantly available at all time.

I like the metaphor that calculators did to math what LLMs will do for language, but I don’t really know what that means yet

GPT output:

“““ The reference to Plato’s Cave here suggests that language models, like the shadows on the wall in Plato’s allegory, provide an imperfect and limited representation of reality. In Plato’s Cave, prisoners are chained in a way that they can only see shadows projected on the wall by objects behind them, mistaking these shadows for the whole of reality. The allegory highlights the difference between the superficial appearances (shadows) and the deeper truth (the actual objects casting the shadows).

In this analogy, large language models (LLMs) produce fluent and grammatically correct language—similar to shadows on the wall—but they do so without direct access to the true “world” beyond language. Their understanding is derived from patterns in language data (“Word Model”) rather than from real-world experiences or sensory information. As a result, the “reality” of the LLMs is limited to linguistic constructs, without spatial awareness, social context, or logic grounded in physical or mathematical truths.

The suggestion to call the LLM framework a “Word Model” underscores that LLMs are fundamentally limited to understanding language itself rather than the world the language describes. Reconstructing a true “world model” from this “word model” is as challenging as Plato’s prisoners trying to understand the real world from the shadows. This evokes the philosophical task of discerning reality from representation, making a case for a “modern remake of Plato’s Cave” where language, not shadows, limits our understanding of reality. ”””

I would imagine the break up of AT&T and the monopoly that formed around phone connections certainly inspired Americans working on the early algorithms of the internet. We still use telephone numbers today, even though mobile internet has made them fully obsolete

They want to ban generative AI in video games? Why would a company ever agree to that?

The writers strike eventually resolved, but with big layoffs and wiped $2B from the LA economy

surely shazam will realize when one IP address is responsible for 1000x a usual person's bandwidth?

or, given Pixel phones can identify audio in the background seemingly without impacting battery, are modern algorithms for identifying music from audio so efficient that shazam pays almost nothing per clip?

Hybrid is exclusively a stop gap to stop people for quitting, no company wants to pay for an office downtown used 2-3 out of 7 days a week, S.F. vacancy rates seem to be leveling off and not improving around 40% (officially)

I think a big sticking point is chat isn't UX, unless of course 10 years from now we're all actually living in the movie Her...

Rebuilding existing apps with AI as a first class citizen seems like the name of the game right now

That’s not the point, a surveillance state where the panopticon autonomously gives $250 tickets is the issue

Rules aren’t meant to be cold hard algorithms to blindly punish people with; we wouldn’t automate a judge with an algorithm why is it somehow different to automate a police officer with one?

Spotify! I used to pirate music because I couldn’t afford it otherwise, then suddenly Spotify made it so reasonable it’s genuinely worth not pirating

As for subscribing to Netflix Disney+ Hulu Prime Apple TV HBO peacock nebula discovery+ paramount+ crunchyroll YouTube premium/TV.... I may still download some stuff

You clearly haven’t received a letter in the mail for $250 because a camera saw you barely not fully stop for a red light right turn at 3am with zero traffic

A human in the loop needs to be the first line of defense, if an officer isn’t willing to be in the field to issue the ticket and show up in court to defend it then there shouldn’t be a ticket in the first place, full stop

“Going to pick it up on the way back” has nothing to do with the pet species and only to do with a bad owner, let’s also not forget even human waste has a tendency to be left on the sidewalk in SF..

Other than rabies (which I assume domesticated vet visits solves), I’ve never once heard of raccoons being violent or any reason to be scared of them

You clearly aren’t their target audience if you’re even thinking about price, it’s a luxury brand that people bought into because their cool rich friends did and they wanted to be part of the club, nothing more nothing less

there are plenty of normal alternatives for people who just want exercise, bad example of broken capitalism to me

I was one of those 3-4 people who felt compelled to drag the conversation forward just to avoid awkward silence and fill the time slot, ugh how I hated that period of time with remote work

Scheduled social time over zoom is not social time, it’s work prescribed team building

If anything these kinds of “meetings” felt like they made the culture on my team worse because they felt so forced and inorganic

Maybe not incompatible but certainly diminished, the idea is you randomly stumble upon someone’s work or ideas who you wouldn’t have otherwise talked to if it needed to be scheduled, personally I think lunch in person is where this shines the most

Productivity doesn’t go down with fully remote work, but I think the kind of creativity that organically comes from ideas being constantly shared and discussed does

To be clear, I don’t think it’s always people’s job to be creative, and company’s should absolutely have roles for people who can work remotely who just join scheduled meetings and execute “the plan”

But Netflix mailed DVDs, blockbuster had ubiquitous storefronts of family owned franchises they’d be cannibalizing, I think they were pretty different

it’s crazy to think VHS and DVD came and went in only a few decades

I remember when Netflix started separating the DVD service from streaming and thinking they were absolutely crazy, because no one would ever want to watch movies from their computer, movies go in that box under the TV…

What about fresh data like an extremely relevant news headline that was published 10 minutes ago? Private data that I don’t want stored offsite but am okay trusting an enterprise no log api? Providing realtime context to LLMs isn’t “hacky”, model intelligence and RAG can complement each other and make advancements in tandem

Not on sale, but these guys have it (or what I think is the same thing outside California) for $8.50 https://ranchfoodsdirect.grazecart.com/store/product/bottom-... https://youtu.be/OS_3a8vtGYI

This is also the game that make a big spectacle out of banning players who get caught using bots because it’s such a problem

fintool.com already has an LLM on top of EDGAR

I believe you.com has their own proper search index? Ecosia and duckduckgo exist purely on ad revenue, any good search engine will be paid for in the future, even Google’s non-ad search results make me hesitant, it’s all SEO spam now, plus chatGPT or Gemini can answer nearly any question when you pay for the real service

As a lowly middle class employee it could be interpreted externally as “representing the company” which is why you see disclaimers like “all views are my own” on some social media profiles. Sam is the company, so they can’t get mad at him, and beyond that he’s a private individual saying whatever he wants on social media without lying.

In order to sue, there need to be damages, and if they didn’t copy the voice then the rest doesn’t matter, which sam and team clearly knew and were fast to work with the news. I agree that smart people take advantage of what they can get away with, but this controversy couldn’t have turned out better for increasing brand awareness good or bad (as you say, just like trump and musk know how to do)

Google actually can “untrain” afaik, my limited understanding is they have good controls their data and its sources, because they know it could be important in the future, GPT not sure.

I’m not sure what you mean by “steal” because it’s a relative term now, me reading your book isn’t stealing if I paid for it and it inspires me to write my own novel about a totally new story. And if you posted your book online, as of right now the legal precedent is you didn’t make any claims to it (anyone could read it for free) so that’s fair game to train on, just like the text I’m writing now also has no protections.

Nearly all Reddit history ever up to a certain date is available for download now online, only until they changed their policies did they start having tighter controls about how their data could be used.

The law is slow and is always playing catch up in terms of prosecution, it’s not clear today because this kind of copyright has never been an issue before. Usually it’s just outright stealing content that was protected, no one ever imagined “training” to be a protected use case, humans “train” on copyrighted works all the time, ideally copyrighted works they purchased for said purpose… the same will start to apply for AI, you have to have rights to the data for that purpose, hence these deals getting made. In the meantime it’s ask for forgiveness not permission, and companies like Google (less openAI) are ready to go with data governance that lets them remove copyright requested data and keep the rest of the model working fine

Let’s also be clear that making deals with Reddit isn’t stealing from creators, it’s not a platform where you own what you type in, same on here this is all public domain with no assumed rights to the text. If you write a book and openAI trains on it and starts telling it to kids at bed time, you 100% will have a legal claim in the future, but the companies already have protections in place to prevent exactly that. For example if you own your website you can request the data not be crawled, but ultimately if your text is publicly available anyone is allowed to read it, and the question it is anyone allowed to train AI on it is an open question that companies are trying to get ahead on.

> done with the intent to not pay the original authors

no one building this software wants to “steal from creators” and the legal precedent for using copyrighted works for the purpose of training is clear with the NYT case against open AI

It’s why things like the recent deal with Reddit to train on their data (which Reddit owns and users give up when using the platform) are becoming so important, same with Twitter/X