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whatever man. you had a good go at me the other day. you're right I'm wrong, and HN is no longer the place for me

Hahaha this is great. Reminds me of my first suspension from school when I used MS Word hyperlinks to get to all the drives "hidden" by the network admins. This included the homework mailbox drives, so naturally I found my least favourite teacher's inbox, hid the folder with the work in it and then created a pair of links pointing to one another. Good times. I wouldn't have been found out if I hadn't removed the graphic for the login screen and replaced it with the Christmas version in May... and then bragged about it when everyone in my class noticed.

As pointed out by the most voted top level comment it's a kernel issue.

You did use the word serious enough to make it compelling. But the author’s biography doesn’t mean that his comment wasn’t flippant.

He’s proved that an well-behaved, codesigned app can list file metadata about files in restricted directories. He hasn’t proven the sandbox compromised.

You claim he has so much serious evidence, link us there. Don’t just string adjectives together.

I have great respect for Jeff, but he is one of the more outspoken complainant Apple devs. At least he has a better basis for his commentary than DHH.

This is amusing, but mostly because it’s the Netherlands. I love the country and the people but they don’t even have a level playing field for retail payments. The big stores accept most card networks (Visa is a little underrepresented even in this group) but most only support one major acquirer, which tends to be Mastercard.

Disclaimer: I work for a payments giant.

Sure. They just developed a new chip, with a new 5nm process, at to drop all the devs off a cliff and hang them out to dry. That will sell units. If they don't work the issues out they'll have to partially shelve the design and go grovelling back to Intel for CPUs because things will continue not to work until it affects the profits. I would be incredibly surprised to see "near zero engagement" with major vendors on this, have (e.g. Adobe) devs written about big issues, or just FOSS wranglers who feel their Free project is undervalued?

I agree there's been a big shift in focus. I'm seriously unhappy about the Amazon/Google level of ad-down-throat-ramming I have to put up with on my Apple TV. But I don't think they're throwing the towel in on hardware and software innovation.

I think Google may have lost some of the ferocity in their loyalists around May 2018, when they removed the "Do no evil" clause from their code of conduct. That was an easy hook on which to hang an uncritical defence.

The vendor lock-in aspect of the super-vertical integration is definitely one of the more abundant points of complaint I see. I get that it's a controversial choice, and it goes hand in hand with their proprietary standard model, which I think is what feeds my suspicion that there is actual bias at play, as opposed to strong opinions being voiced without the bias.

There seems to be as much shared experience in ragging on Apple as there is in using their products and maybe in supporting their positions in the face of naysayers. Other providers offer similar integrated experience. Google has entries in most hardware markets, and Amazon certainly exercises a ubiquity across more than just the IT industry.

I wondered about 'bias' being the right thing to talk about, of course I was influenced by the complainants characterisation. I imagine I have a pro-Apple bias to some degree. Certainly I know I like the products, infrastructure, and integration, and I'm largely supportive of their technical direction. Is it bias, or are these conversations purely opinion based?

I don't fully understand what you mean by "a reflection of people actually knowing what the company is doing." There might be some misinformation floating around, but I would expect that to balance over time and subject matter. If you mean that some people chime in to these conversations without enough information I suppose my lesson here is not to feed the trolls :)

Great to hear the young one is interested!

It's a good question. I don't really have the data science chops to come up with the methodology. I was always a weak statistician...

I'm not looking to prove that there is no bias, I'm devilishly interested in whether actual bias is stronger around Apple, don't mind if it's favourable or not.

One of my favourite Usenet posts is Linus' tirade at Tanenbaum over MINIX.

I agree. My position is that is a company is big enough people will have an opinion, and if there's an opinion to be had there's probably an opposition in there somewhere. I like the "reverse PR" theory, kinda the "no press is bad press" argument. Mac vs. PC ads are a great point! Definitely a polarisation at the time, I think Linux can be found in a lot of the most outspoken commentary around here.

Ah but he is different from those iconoclasts because his personal was also his business life and he drove them both into the ground at the same time.

You’re right, I am absolutely refusing to be generous with him. He had all the generosity a person could ever need and he spat in the face of all those generous people. He also said his whole family forgives him now, and he always wins, never surrenders. I don’t know much about gambling recovery, but I’m certain addicts never “win”.

All I want anyone to consider is that there are thousands of case studies out there who didn’t have to demonstrate so much dishonesty. Sure he’s got the business chops to keep making good money, doesn’t mean he deserves veneration, immortalisation, and any faith that he’s a good person.

Reminds me of the vehicles in the Daniel Suarez books, Daemon and Freedom.

Would you happen to know any data science? I took a course on R but I never got to use it, but this is actually starting to sound like an interesting project. There's a lot of data entry level work to do I guess. My data chops aren't great but I can handle repetitive tasks.

Very good. You got me. Here you go:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9583362

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25238542

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6420048

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23655400

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23655400

Some of these are the replies to the claims of bias, some are the original claims themselves. The search bar is at the bottom of the home page. I may have been rather childish throughout this thread, it's a defence mechanism, but it doesn't mean I'm wrong, and it doesn't mean there isn't pro-Apple bias on HN. That doesn't mean there isn't pro-<FAANG> bias around here either.

People are entitled to these opinions, and to express them, as are you and I to participate in whatever you call this exchange. It's why I still love the internet even though it feels like it's raising my blood pressure from time to time. And why I go through spits and spats of spurning all social media and then participating in controversial discussions like this and other philosophical debates.

How many times can I say: you were wrong; before you understand that I mean you misused the wrong word to make a bad point that isn’t true. Then you jumped down my throat about pointing out that you’re wrong, and deflected the criticism to my minor point that you swapped the two terms.

I’m ready for bed, I had a nice day thanks. I took a small walk, learned a couple of songs and now I’m ignoring the TV while I sketch out designs for a web service, but your deliberate continuing obtuseness is keeping me entertained for the evening.

Edit (upon reflection): I'm salty about the downvotes because I don't yet have the karma to downvote comments myself, so I can only reply expressing my negative opinion. This so often results in further downvoting that I get further away from the privilege of a silent dismissal of comments with which I disagree.

Sure I’m privileged because I didn’t grow up dealing with genocide, but neither did most of the population born after 1950. I should not have generalised about the others he helped, that was wrong of me, but I stand by what I said about him. No I don’t think it would be more noble to leave the children or the parents there, but Ted Ngoy never put his family at risk at home. He just trod all over them when he got a leg up.

No, I think it’s fucking brilliant that the US gave them the opportunity for a better life in a safer place. I’m furious that he spent 40 years taking that, his family, and his community, for granted and then claims to have just “moved on” back in Cambodia now that it’s safe and he can make lucrative deals with China. Also, the last thing he says is: “I never back down. Never give up. Never surrender. Even in gambling. It took longer than 40 years. But I still win. At the end, I win.” Which is just about the most remorseless thing I can believe he could say.

Hopefully his faith will keep him honest now.

Addicts who recover tend to admit that they are always in recovery, not that they’re healed. Though the religious framework and the 12 step program are very similar. Hopefully he keeps the faith if it works for him.

Edit to add, look at the last line of the article itself.

> "I never back down. Never give up. Never surrender. Even in gambling. It took longer than 40 years. But I still win. At the end, I win."

Maybe don't use big words you completely misunderstand in a discussion concerning a complex topic littered with political commentary and obvious bias. Particularly if you are only pointing out the obvious bias.

> “you do have it easy”

> “you’re very fortunate”

So it’s lucky to be an entrepreneur in the US particularly if you immigrate. I think GP was more interested in having opportunities like: managing a franchise after going on a course someone else funded, starving your family and working them for no money without retribution, throwing caution to the wind re customer hygiene to save a few cents on coffee stirrers, and being able to buy any business whatsoever with 1 year’s worth of donut-shop-manager money.

The only thing this guy did on his own was fritter away other people’s money to get “high”, and try to kill himself when things looked bad for him personally. He’s a pitiful man who has exploited those around him only to end up back in the dirt where he belonged.

Of course he went into politics.

The more I read it, the more this strikes a chord. For one thing, they were saving every penny of the business’ money, washing disposable stirrers until the franchise reprimanded them. It mentions very little about money at home, and the “gambling cam to take my life” is so manipulative. He started gambling, gambling didn’t hunt him down in a quiet moment of prayer. He had a shit load of money and got a high on taking big risks.

He’s an addict, and he had the gall to say “I didn’t have time for the business” when he was soaking himself in high-roller games in Vegas.

He starved and worked his family in essence minimising his contributions to the economy around him so that he could fund other child labour abusers.

Fuck this guy.

And working his kids extremely hard, without even managing to feed them...

He didn’t open the business, he managed it. And the man starved his children while forcing them into labour. Then he pissed away everything he had, and a lot of what he said he would give away to others. He’s not a hero, he’s a criminal.

A cursory scan of the front page article concerning Amazon turns up a few standing in Amazon’s defence. I guess Apple isn’t the only tech giant with blindly loyal fans

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25240953

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25237993

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25237932

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25237628

I was discussing this with my dad earlier today. Neither he nor I have a degree. He started a course in the 70s that he never finished, and I didn’t apply to university, for numerous reasons, but I was application age when fees were tripled to £9k, and the loan repayment structuring made it apparent that 80% of these degrees weren’t worth the money.

My current role title is Software Engineer, but I don’t go by it outside work very often because Engineer means something outside the technobubble. I have a friend with two degrees in aeronautical engineering, and he clenches every time he hears someone refer to me as an engineer. I agree with him too, but earning that title should be about more than a degree, engineers in industry almost always have to work under a supervising engineer for a significant period of time before acceding to the title themselves.

Most power users maybe. Most consumer users don’t think about the fact they have to trust at all. And you can’t say you don’t want the security features and then say that it’s bad you have to turn them off if you don’t want them. The goalposts are Apple’s customers, my guesstimate is that 80% of those paying customers would rather be secured by the vendor they already trusted to produce the hardware, firmware, software, and infrastructure they use on a daily basis. Do you know of any market research about the level of security most users want?

I have heard really good things about the keyboards for the iPads. I’m still using an iPad Air 2 with a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard which works wonders.

There are code editing apps for iOS, but I don’t know what they're capable of these days. Some use cloud servers, but as soon as you know you want the option then the laptop is probably the way to go. Happy hunting!

Yeah that’s reactive, rather than reactionary. It’s a significant definition, particularly as reactionary tends to be used pejoratively to describe the proverbial “stick in the mud”.

And my point was that the very fact that Apple is the one with defendants, among the technologists who tend to make up HN commenters, should make one wonder if they aren’t doing some of those things right, not that the supporting commenters are mouth-breathing dullards who just “don’t get it”. Apple are getting bad press right now over pushing for a bill in the US designed to eliminate slavery from supply chains, and I will join the voices calling on them to take responsibility for that. But in reference to how they control their hardware-software ecosystem for their customers, the reactionary point of view is that they shouldn’t be progressing towards a user-safe environment.

Apple's terminal environment is POSIX-like. PowerShell was always a bit of a lame duck, or Microsoft wouldn't have bothered with WSL to get real power users to stick with their platform.