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Props for taking another shot at this problem. Confused a bit about the pricing, are the in free 1,000 email in total or per month? After that it's $5 per month? And pay per email?

Breakneck, China's quest to engineer the future. Dan Wang

I'll jump in here and mention Moose OS. It's a debian based open source OS that allows you to run these agents, and whatever OSS container you want. You can start with the hosted version and move to your own box at any time.

I think lock in in is the thing we should try to avoid from now on, especially when it comes to our personal data. Products like muse and dots are attractive when they have a free tier but someone always needs to pay the bill.

Fortunately, self-hosting is the answer. And more, fortunately, it has become pretty easy to self-host apps and keep your data

Plugging moose os here

Please do share it.

This is a really good story. I love it. Really hope you can share your experience, either blog post or GitHub repo

Here's a gift link

https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/1001049/...

Fun fact, a lot of software patterns are banned in the EU. Especially pure software patterns.

This is a subject that will come up more often now that self-hosting becomes more common. The developers still need to get paid though, but should that be a subscription or a one-time fee? I honestly don't know, but I feel like a subscription that supports the developer without locking features is a good thing?

If you only pay a one-time fee and no future updates, that is also an option, but that price will be higher because you will need to cover all the features that were developed up to that point. So what are the options here?

As others said, I think this is not a bug or an issue because these are the users files. This would actually be the expected behavior, you should be allowed to see your environments and the files that you create while using it

This looks really good. Thanks for reco.

Gonna add it to the moose store for self hosters

Immich is great. I love it

Moose has entered the room.

I built a debian based OS focused on self-hosting: github com/onmoose/os It's not really Linux size but I couldn't have built this if it wasn't for coding agents. Still a ton of work needed on UX but the main functionality works so well.

Linux also has decades of work on it, we can't really expect new products to equal that in 2 years of agentic coding

That is a great offer if you're only looking for a nextcloud backup. If you also need an immich instance and some jellyfin, you need another machine.

A single purpose service is always more efficient then a more generilized one

Yeah, definitely not 1-to-1 comparison as moose has a VM underneath and you can run pretty much anything

Self-host. NextCloud on a moose instance https://mooseos.com/store/nextcloud

1 click install, daily backups, no need to manage anything

Can you use known cultural elements to get your message across. That's not a new concept

You get better performance if you also finetune it for your task

This kind of cynicism is not really useful. As much as we can distrust the company, there is a legal minefield to offer this option in the UI and terms of service and not respect it.

I think we should be happy when this happens as it encourages more players to be active in AI, and us not rely on only two companies

[self promo warning]

jellyfin 12 available as hosted option on malmo. one click install

https://malmo.network/store/jellyfin

[self promo warning] Setting up self hosting alternatives like immich is still the biggest adoption barrier out there. Most people are not technical. I had the same problem even as a technical personal.

I built malmo to solve that. 1 click install for immich malmo.network/store/immich

Underlying OS fully open source, install it on your own box or use a hosting provider

I don't think cost is the main reason you should move. Things like photos, gmail are definitely subsided by google so it's not a fair comparison. It's getting pretty easy to add backup for self hosting so that is becoming the smallest problem. Agree with you, still worth it

You can. But it's a more manual process. Under gdpr you can request total deletion of your data

Out of all the companies that could have acquired hugging face, I think nvidia is the best fit. If it had to happen, happy it was them

Disagree. When it comes to AI, mvidia has been one of the most open labs. They open source a lot things and are open to contributions

On web I use an adblocker to block annoying google popups, including the Gemini one in gmail.

Immich is an amazing alternative. People should give it a chance. One click install: https://malmo.network/store/immich

That was a good way of thinking you had. It still is.

Malmo OS has the same mission as sandstome but I guess the focus is more around docker containers

As others said, baserow is a good one. Pretty easy to self-host with something like https://malmo.network/store/baserow (founder here)

Wow, unbelievable find