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Coming back down to earth, this is why ETH requires checkpoints[1], but PoW chains do not[2].
[1]: https://ethereum.org/en/developers/docs/consensus-mechanisms...
[2]: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/75733/why-does-b...
PoW burns a lot of energy, but the algorithm has an elegant simplicity to it. Crucially, the _work_ is impossible to fake.
PoS (very roughly) means that the richest control the network... which seems reasonable. But suppose you decide to rewrite the blockchain to say you're the richest, do you then control the network? It's a circular loop, and defending against those kinds of attacks is dramatically more complex. I've been lightly following development and I get the sense they've been playing whack-a-mole with vulnerabilities and bugs since ~2016. It's hard to have confidence in the result.
According to this, the PoS schedule first slipped in 2017. (search for "snooze button")
First article I found: https://amishamerica.com/do-amish-use-telephones/
> He noted that since “the national bank is not really operating, crypto is helping to perform fast transfers, to make it very quick and get results almost immediately.”
That quote is pretty unambiguous. At least for a time, Ukraine benefited from a financial system with no central point of failure.
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Pornhub probably offers different payment methods depending on your jurisdiction. I don't know much about that industry, I was just quoting a thread from the day before where a few people confirmed.
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You're right that in a first world country, with reliable infrastructure, paying for uncontroversial products (note uncontroversial != legal), BTC will have more friction. Even if BTC is wildly successful, I'll be happy never to buy socks with it. But there's lots of adoption in other countries, and for fringe products like the ones you listed plus VPNs, "water pipes", etc.
And why are you asking for use cases "besides" these? That's the problem with these threads. Someone says "no use cases", then I list some use cases and cite my sources, then the next reply is "actually those don't count, please give me even more use cases!" Posting in these threads is exhausting.
To your more broad question, BTC demand outside speculation is driven by economic usage, despite HN's doubts. If it wasn't for that, I'd be asking the same question about its value. If you're open-minded and interested in learning, I've written up answers to that question several times. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31932743
Miners are rewarded in BTC for keeping the network secure, and they sell these BTC to cover operating costs. Every four years, the mining rewards are cut in half (per the consensus protocol). Miners have less coins to sell, which results in a supply shock. The price floor between these supply shocks is ostensibly determined by economic activity outside of speculation. This has resulted in a repeating four-year market cycle. Of course this pattern will only continue until it doesn't. You can search "halving" or "halvening" for more info. https://www.investopedia.com/bitcoin-halving-4843769
It all depends where you look. In some niches, BTC is used a lot. In some niches it isn't used by anyone (hi HN!) But it's a big world out there, and if you look outside your bubble it's not hard to find people using it.
Re: the last paragraph, BTC did indeed crumple under load for a long time around ~2016, and transaction fees were very high as a result. But lightning network has appeared since then and fees are back down to reasonable levels, well under $1. Those were serious growing pains, but we made it through just fine.
[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31914284
[2]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-crypto-is-helping-ukraine-r...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-crypto-is-helping-ukraine-r...
> He noted that since “the national bank is not really operating, crypto is helping to perform fast transfers, to make it very quick and get results almost immediately.”
> Chobanian says vendors are stepping up to accept crypto in exchange for supplies and crypto is proving to be more efficient than traditional payment methods.
> “It's really difficult to [send money] using traditional methods. First of all, it takes a lot of time. Secondly, it's a lot of bureaucracy and so on. Here, we are really fast. So we receive money and we spend it almost immediately,” Chobanian said.
https://www.yahoo.com/video/least-14m-26m-donated-crypto-215...
> “We're doing it really efficiently,” Chobanian added. “The majority of spending is actually done in crypto.”
When searching I mostly found results on crypto news sites (naturally), but here are some mainstream sources:
https://time.com/6155209/ukraine-crypto/
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-cryptocurrency-tec...