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Open ai has been allowed to do dubious things that would be illegal in any sane society but alas they aren't in this world. What's different about this? They play with a different set of rules than we do.

This is the bed all you AI hypers made. Now all manner of disparate tools fall under the banner of AI, with something like this that are not LLMs or transformer type tool, they happen to get lumped with all the rest of them.

So Altman and Amodei should retire?

750 comments but I can't believe how bad this article is. The paragraph on MAU says similarweb is untrustworthy but then cites "most estimates"...which? Sorry, I can't read this without thinking you're biased against Ed Zitron.

The best part is the spreadsheet, which makes him sound like he's just sloppy, but danluu specifically says he's being deliberately misleading elsewhere, like the opposite of hanlon's razor now? So is he being deliberately sloppy in his spreadsheets or is he just incompetent? I suppose both is a better read but you need more proof for the "deliberately misleading" line and the spreadsheet frankly is danluu's best evidence beyond the list of failed predictions which is less striking in my mind.

While I think he's probably wrong on the timing, which clearly has been wrong since 2024, it doesn't really address the greater critique, which is that ai companies and nvidia and memory manufacturers need revenues collectively in the trillions to make their investors whole. That is still unsustainable such that it's been called out by other investors and financial journalists.

I will say 50% of HN is responsible for the state of things today with attention. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

The top comment right now is essentially explaining my issue here. My problem isn't really the pro or anti stance, this is a booster account that is farming off of the engagement. This has been a thing since musk introduced paid premium blue checks on twitter, essentially these circles of accounts that just puff each other up with AI generated posts and replies now proliferate widely. You see similar accounts like gimmick accounts, accounts that post gender war or political content, age gap discourse, whatever is currently trending or spicy in order to get engagement and thus get that small cut of premium payment for said posts. Of course, in order to get a big enough return, they use scale, and thus LLM replies and multiple accounts. The AI enthusiast circle on twitter have a similar inauthentic accounts. It wouldn't be surprising if this is just one of the person's profiles.

The thing is these are more likely than not not sincere posts but are probably bots accounts used to get some skimming amount of money from the generated content. I'd rather read actually interesting details, not the "template engagement bait" (as the top comment) posted so we can debate that instead of this contentless generated post.

Given the incentives (an ai booster account who is also prompting chat to write his posts) does this even belong on HN? I feel like our standards have dropped so much in the last two years.

Tbf, this current era of capitalism really is a lot where absolutely no one wants to enter the market and take advantage of a clear overpricing of memory for consumers but simply wants to charge the same amount as everyone else. So much for "efficient markets."

You can't be serious about conflating a host of technologies with fucking image generation or all things. This is the worst HN comment I've seen in months and there's been loads of competition.

You shouldn't promote something like this as being useful for medical purposes, because some patients might think this is real and start sending their doctors these "scans" or even worse, some shitty doctors will use them to diagnose tumours in their patients so they can then make banger bucks out of their new hallucinated cancer patients.

Stuff like this needs to go through approvals for obvious reasons before they can advertise them for having medical purposes.

Clearly something like this would need to be approved by the FDA, it is literally irresponsible to promote something like this as being more powerful than a MRI.

Man no wonder ai wows a lot of HN posters. This can't be the default attitude of developers today.

This is likely because the government fears of protests. Just like the bans in the west were mostly about anti Israel/ pro Palestinian rhetoric, this is a response to the anti Government protests last year in Indonesia and elsewhere. They're afraid of it happening there.

American moderates are amazing. "Let's see how suburban republicans feel about this that Trump has done! He's really spoiled his chances next election!" You guys have been waiting for the non-fascist republican voter for more than a decade at this point.

He just needs to profess his love for our country (the president, you know how Trump says attacks on him are attacks on the whole country) and may be say he has dirt on the deep state or hasan piker or something. Trump will be inviting him to the white house where he can steal from the government and tax payers in a more sanctioned way.

There is no contradiction between the points made so far. His base loves it and the majority of americans do not. He won by a marginal victory just like in 2016. The current system favors the Rs and the Rs have worked to gerrymander every state they've controlled since 2010, and they've used everything in their power since the obama years to make sure they control the courts. Poll after poll shows americans don't like Trump (or Biden for that matter or the Democrats) but because of the moment in 2024, Trump took a marginal victory and consolidated power, which Democrats never could do and never wanted to do.

The simple statement that none of this is what voters want if we're talking about a majority of them is just true. To say otherwise is to be ignorant of history since the 90s and the Rs under Newt Gingrich to this day, and how effectively as a party they've consolidated power in America. I'm not really saying it's evil or smart or anything (I do think it was smart and bold). But, polls do consistently show a majority of Americans have never been so pessimistic about the country and their leadership in both parties.

Also there is a bit of inertia. In people's imaginations, the US still seems to glimmer, even if the reality isn't the same.

I will say, there are a non-zero number of people who were rooting for Trump and the American right wing in general who are now surprised the fascists are turning on them. I don't know, it's hard to have sympathy for some of you.

Did you really think the whites saw you as one of them? Were you so naive? Because you were "educated"? Because you worked in Silicon Valley or SF (you know California, the same places that Trump ranted against for years because they never voted for him)?

>I don't really get why some people seem to think that it's somehow better to have their bullet point prompt as a huge text.

Because they want to mislead you.

At this point, I think google, openai, anthropic, etc already realise this and are just trying to pretend this isn't true. I even think some C-suite who are not in AI companies but are boosters know this too. This has been true since 2022 but they're hoping (likely correctly) that governments won't move fast enough to protect the IP of the actual productive class.

I think the long term reality is that the models still need training data so they fundamentally do need new writing/code/art to train on, and even then the usual issues like hallucination will still be with us. It's just the moment that actually hurts the (already questionable) profitability of the model peddlers, they will have gotten their IPOs and they can safely jump ship and the ultimate mess can be passed to the softbanks, the temaseks, and the governments of the world to clean up for them. What the future holds after the crash I'm not sure as the models won't disappear (especially now that the stolen data is already crystalised in open source models) but in the near term the mass theft that constitutes llms will become more and more understood even amongst the PMC and that in order to remain viable, you need the productive to keep producing, and unlike LLMs, you can't force them to do it without payment.

So, I'm not really a mathematician, but the first 3-8 pages reads like nonsense and a bunch of unrelated facts. A bit surreal may be, but if this the norm for this kind of thing, I'm amazed it arrives at any useful result at all.

Trying to get your money out while there's still time! Quickly now!

Be sure to give it your bank account details and pin number too, so it can fill out that section of the 1040.

Of course just like they did with engineering IP china will not respect such a thing.

I think the context makes it clear this is about llms and generative ai, not everything that includes a NN

It's tempting to assume malice, I don't doubt some of them really are so spiteful, but I assume most are just that out of touch.

There once was an rpg that had you move boxes around and fight random box encounters, and the battles were likewise just deducting each other's hp in turn with a rng. There was no dialogue I can recall. Basically similar spirit but I remember playing it in the mid 2000s.

I might be misremembering but your characters also had "spells," a menu for attacks but each attack was a random string of characters.

Frankly, if you think this, why do you think you're special? If people using LLMs are bad, how are you not also subject to the same issues they are?

Is there a citation for this? This was my suspicion but it's quite amazing if this was the actual reason for the bun spectacle

Which is why the angry replies on Twitter from AI hype accounts is so funny. You should get penalised for fake references and profanity in your submissions, even if you wrote your slop longhand. I don't know why anyone would have an issue with this policy.