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That is correct and we are determined to stay as well :]

Perfect that was exactly what I missed. Thanks!

I've upgraded and it was super smooth. Thanks for that! One question remains, how can one disable the title bar on gnome to preserve space?

The Cloudron platform as such is source-available: https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box

All tools around it and more importantly app packages are open source (MIT mostly)

Indeed as you mention, complex apps like Taiga are quite time-consuming to package in a way to ensure proper updates for the future. In fact I am right now in the process to iron out the update to Taiga v6 and that price-tag allows us to focus on such things so our users get a smooth experience without missing out on updates (disclaimer, I am one of the Cloudron founders :D )

For sake of our vision we surely would like to make it more cost-effective in the long run, however we are bootstrapped and thus walk a thin line with a focus more on long-term sustainability not just blind growth. (10x cheaper though would realistically even pose an accounting problem with micro-payments or plain transaction fees taking large chunks)

Cloudron also has a full email stack ready to go, however you are totally right about the residential IPs. They are basically all blacklisted by default, which is also why we had to add easy relay-provider support.

This looks really nice and the online demo is quite slick also on Firefox.

I saw that there is either a Qt or GL backend, which made me wonder how this is used then in the online demo or is the browser backend a third, undocumented one?

Also how is input (pointer, key) supported across the already apparently supported platforms?

While I tend to agree from a personal perspective, however the Wekan project especially seems to be able to pump out lots of very nice features at a high rate, thanks to meteor. Additionally to this, we at Cloudron update the app package about twice a week due to that and so far had very little breakage or regressions, compared to other apps. We do not update meteor often though, which is maybe contributing to the stability.

This is great to see and is pretty much the same reason why we have initially started with Cloudron [1]. There are not many technical reasons why running your own apps on the server has to be harder than using a phone. There are tons of great apps already out there and from my perspective the biggest issue, as mentioned in the blog post, is the onboarding and ease of installation/maintenance of those apps including the server itself. The building blocks are all available but as a complete solution hard to use, unless one is a kind of a sysamdmin. This makes it just very exclusive. If you ever tried to setup your own email server there is so much crud work to be done and things to be learned. Learning about this is as such a great opportunity to understand the underlying technology and how things work together, but it is also a huge barrier.

1. https://cloudron.io

That is indeed a shame and I was also not aware of them shutting down some of their services. But as far as I know their text document editing tool is a slightly improved etherpad, which is mentioned in the article.

This looks great and would surely be a great addition. If you like, join us at https://chat.cloudron.io and we can together start working on an app package.

Since the whole stack runs on your server there is no real way to ban anyone as such. Worst case is that you would loose access to updates, however all our app packages are MIT licensed (eg. https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/nextcloud-app ) as such you could just build the app image with docker locally and push to your server manually.

I wasn't very much aware of ownphotos looks great and will add it to our backlog. Thanks!

Otherwise, Matrix+Riot is being worked on already. Mastodon is similarly mostly done https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1136/mastodon-microblogging

Our latest addition is now OnlyOffice, currently in testing mode.

If you want to selfhost many of those apps, we have built a tool (Cloudron) to take away most of the deployment hassle for many of those apps mentioned in the link. Also to work around the provider lock-in with ipv4 addresses while hosting from your home or on-premise we have a built-in dynamic DNS feature https://cloudron.io/documentation/networking/#dynamic-dns So in the end it doesn't matter if you change ISP or if you don't even have a static ipv4 as such.

There is also https://cloudron.io/ to self-host, which provides a complete email solution based on dovecot and haraka plus a couple of webmail apps to use, like rainloop and roundcube.

Currently we are not in a position to do this, it would be great of course. At the moment we do contribute to the upstream projects.

Please note, what we have is not a true app store with pay-per-app, but the subscription is to ensure we have the resources to package, test and support the apps on Cloudron. We have elaborate unit tests for each app as well as do manual testing, since we want to deliver a saas style update experience.

As you said, you wont get further updates to the apps, however everything will continue to run as is. Also you will be able to further manage the server or reconfigure already installed apps. Other features like automatic backups will also keep working.

Hi HN,

At Cloudron.io, we track the releases of hundreds of apps on GitHub. We used to use a service called sibbell.com for this but they shutdown recently. We wrote Release Bell as an alternative.

Essentially, it monitors all your starred GitHub projects and sends you an email notification when a new release is available.

The project is self-hosted, so (obviously) we packaged it for Cloudron. You can install Release Bell on your Cloudron or take a look at the demo instance - https://demo.releasebell.com (username: releasebell password: releasebell) The app does not have any special demo mode to protect the settings, I will try to reset it if needed. Also given the purpose of the app to simply send notifications, we kept the UI minimal.

More information on how email works on Cloudron can be found at https://cloudron.io/documentation/email/

Co-founder of cloudron here, happy to answer questions.

Co-founder here. Super excited to release 1.0 today. Happy to answer any questions.

Hi, we had similar concerns about privacy and have built https://cloudron.io to solve not only the hassle of setting up email but also other services where applicable selfhostable options are available.

The mail server is fully built into the platform itself and automatically takes care of all the tiny details required to get over the often stated deliverability issues (SPF, dkim, PTR, ...). So far we have found that many of the issues described here are not actually a big issue as long as everything is setup the way those large providers want it to be. The occasional report from a user about getting blacklisted usually is a matter of submitting the required form on the providers unlisting site. They do act timely as well in my experience and the process is not very time consuming.

Overall I was pretty surprised how well it works in the end, given that there are so many reports about selfhosting email is too complex to deal with.

Hi, we have setup our company (UG) https://cloudron.io a bit over a year ago in Germany and used https://www.firma.de which was a breeze. They do all the heavy lifting preparing documents. Then you just have to show up physically at the bank and notary office to sign on the dates firma.de is telling you.

That is pretty much exactly what we try to solve a https://cloudron.io

There is still a long way to go to make it work for your grandparents, however I think we already made quite some progress. The act of getting a domain and a server itself is still something most people might not be comfortable with though.

In the end I think there are only technical issues to be solved to get to a state where having a server and installing apps, just like most people now do with mobile apps on their phone, is entirely viable.

Thanks a lot for the quick fix, works great now.

Very nice and simple. Just what I was looking for, since firefox does not have a "make this url into a webapp" feature anymore.

Unfortunately, one of my use-case apps would not work correctly: https://chat.cloudron.io

Is there any way one can get to the web inspector, or at least dump the web console output to the terminal?

Will be interesting if a part of the community "forks" arch like they did for 16bit back then. However lowarch is apparently also dead by now: http://www.lowarch.org/

I still have that installed on a i386 machine, but not booted since years.

I can very much recommend maps.me as a google maps replacement on mobile.

Given that the name "Guacamoly" caused a bit of confusion on a reddit post, I would very much welcome other name proposals.

Author here. The project itself is now one year old, originally written to fit exactly the needs of two people, who were frustrated with too much structure with other note-taking or just thought dump apps. So this app does not have any concept of types or even titles. Same way tags are simply extracted without the need to select a category/tag a note belongs to.

Any feedback is highly appreciated.