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Every professional in the world deserves a great resume

Founder, Leet Resumes, we write your professional resume for free (tips appreciated!) www.leetresumes.com

Founder, Ladders, www.theladders.com

Amazon #1 Bestselling author: ldd.rs/amzn

Author of America’s largest career advice newsletter: https://www.theladders.com/career-advice/author/marc-cenedella

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mcenedella··on Why isn't there a universal data format for résumés?
Going direct to a hiring manager is always the best route to the job.

Any standardized process will lack fidelity and excellence in specific cases. Or maybe even in all cases, when the company has made the trade off for cost or speed over quality.

But that’s what big company life is like, and that’s why they have standardized processes. Because even with the errors, in aggregate, it works out better for the business.

mcenedella··on Why isn't there a universal data format for résumés?
I’ve interviewed the CEOs of many of the largest ATSs for Ladders News, and while there is no automated system, the tools do exist for a company to screen in this basis.

But none of the ATSs really collect great data on how many of their customers use them in their core processes. From observing actual, heavy duty recruiter and HR usage at Ladders, I suspect it is not very many.

These are people people after all, and they are not great at writing REGEX style queries to find only the precisely correct resumes they are looking for. You also need to remember that they are frequently working on novel searches each week, and wouldn’t have the confidence or the capability to craft such searches.

mcenedella··on Why isn't there a universal data format for résumés?
Probably 8 to 15, versus 80 to 100 now.
mcenedella··on Why isn't there a universal data format for résumés?
These are true: - hiring managers that actually read resumes are golden to work for - a test of your awareness of the fact that, yes, in critical business communications at least -- this level of correctness does matter, and it matters a lot.

And for people who want to work in startup land, it’s an ideal.

Once a company gets past 40 or so people, though, ATS adoption increases. And 150+ employees without an ATS are rare. It’s just that the volume of candidates and interview processes that need to be managed require there be some software to manage the workflow.

mcenedella··on Why isn't there a universal data format for résumés?
A really great resume gets beyond the company names and educational institutions to demonstrate, with concrete numbers, how you improved things at your employer.

Reduced latency by 350 ms Increased engagement by 18% Reduced AWS spending by 23% Scaled from 13 to over 300 virtual machines

That sort of specificity and numerical quantification is what makes a great resume stand out.

mcenedella··on Why isn't there a universal data format for résumés?
This is not really an issue. Most resume ATSs enable fuzzy searching on stems and similar keywords.
mcenedella··on Why isn't there a universal data format for résumés?
I’ll start with my background, not for ego, but for context on what I know about why this remains a problem. I’ve written 3 Amazon Careers #1 Bestsellers on resume writing. A decade ago I ran the largest paid resume writing service in the country. I currently run Leet Resumes, the largest free professional writing service in the USA. My company did the famous eye tracking study showing that recruiters only spend 6 seconds on their initial screen of a resume. I’ve interviewed the CEOs and technical experts at the five largest resume parsing companies. And I regularly interview the CEOs of the ATSs.

So I’ve thought about this a lot :)

Properly understood, a resume is an advertisement to your future boss to get you interview requests for a job you can succeed in.

Why isn’t there a single format to do this? At the core, the reason is a combination of personal expression and xkcd #927: https://xkcd.com/927/

We already know what is the most effective resume format for hiring managers. We’ve done the research, the focus groups, the AB tests, and longitudinal studies. The reverse chronological, one-column structure with black web standard fonts only, a single level of bullet points, and a simple professional summary and technology section, is, hands down, the most effective format. Google has studied it as well and came to the same conclusions: https://www.leetresumes.com/blog/what-google-recruiters-look...

Almost all of the top search results on Google vary from this format, however, because search results are based on what’s popular, not what’s effective.

Psychologically, professionals have only one document in their lives to sum up their careers. Even though the true purpose of the resume is to get you interview requests for a job you can succeed in, professionals can’t help writing their resume to satisfy their own aesthetic or narrative goals, rather than the hiring manager’s. There’s a desire to express oneself on a resume in ways that are irrelevant, or often actually harmful, to the goal of getting hired.

At Leet, when we launched on Hacker News last year, we had great conversations with many of you about why simplifying your format would be for the best. I recall one experienced engineer who had custom built something in LaTeX to automatically generate his resume as he incrementally updated it. I pointed out that ATSs were unable to read the document because of how it was encoded. Multiply that story times 90 million professionals, each of whom may bring just a few small extremely damaging customizations to the process, and you’ll see why a single standard hasn’t been adopted from the professional’s side.

From the hiring manager’s side, standardizing a resume format has largely followed the xkcd story line. A company or coalition tries to introduce a standard, which varies from other best practices, and the end result is an additional competing standard.

So the long answer is that standards would be excellent, except for the fact that users won’t adhere to them :).

Happy to answer questions!

mcenedella··on Human History Gets a Rewrite
The subject’s book “Debt: The First 5,000 Years” was so poorly researched and argued, it’s one of the few books I’ve returned to Amazon in the past two decades. (“A History of Interest Rates” by Homer & Sylla, remains the definitive history of debt among humankind. Originally written in 1963, I’d been hoping to find a modern update to the subject matter.)

Similar to this article - lots of claims of greatness, but never actually gets around to using facts to build the case.

“All hat and no cattle” as they might say.

mcenedella··on LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace
How specifically, do the commission fees work on a per contract basis?
mcenedella··on LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace
I’ve been on Upwork as a buyer for years. It’s tremendous for getting great talent on a short term basis. Top rate I’ve paid I think is some close to or just over $100/hour, so it’s definitely not just for low-end stuff.

I’ve learned (the hard way) about being very, very clear with deliverables and expectations. Based on the average response I get on Upwork, it would seem the median buyer is much more susceptible to contractors blowing smoke. So one has to be careful.

But overall, as several hundred thousand dollars client over the years, it’s been a godsend.

mcenedella··on Activists who embrace nuclear power
According to the Department of Energy, nuclear energy creates minimal waste, has a small land footprint, and is cleaner for the air. https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/3-reasons-why-nuclear-cle...

Interestingly: “ All of the used nuclear fuel produced by the U.S. nuclear energy industry over the last 60 years could fit on a football field at a depth of less than 10 yards!”

mcenedella··on LinkedIn’s Alternate Universe
The best way to get out of the LinkedIn treadmill is to take control of your own presentation. At Leet Resumes, we write engineering resumes for free (premium hosting services coming this fall): www.leetresumes.com

Use us, or use someone else, or write your own resume and host it on your own personal site. It's better to own your own presentation on the web than rely on a distant, and perhaps not friendly, corporation.

mcenedella··on Stop Swiss Cheesing your calendar
This is terrific advice. Whenever someone in my team complains about meetings, I ask that we get out their calendar and go through each and every meeting. We decide whether it’s required for them to be in the meeting or not. And then try to find a way to agglomerate the meeting times to allow for workblocks.

In every case, it’s a huge productivity boost.

The only challenges tend to be multi-function meetings, which require high-level support to move and consolidate. But it can be done!

Definitely follow this advice.

mcenedella··on A wordclock application in 60 lines of QML
Pretty cool!
mcenedella··on Show HN: Leet Resumes – a free technical resume-writing service
“Stephanie Wozniak” working at One Infinity Loop is, I hope, an obviously fake name.

All examples are real resume formats but fake names and representative experiences.

We wouldn’t ever show a user’s resume publicly without permission.

mcenedella··on Show HN: Leet Resumes – a free technical resume-writing service
Hi nosmoke - perhaps your recent non tech experience threw us off. Are you looking to go back to tech work? Ping me directly to discuss.
mcenedella··on Show HN: Leet Resumes – a free technical resume-writing service
Market price is closer to $200 - $300, and from long observation, only 6% of users are willing to pay, as you are, golergka.

As mentioned above, we're not selling your information, but hoping to use this as a means to grow into a trusted partner in dev's careers.

mcenedella··on Show HN: Leet Resumes – a free technical resume-writing service
Hi Wendy - when a manager is looking through a pile of 100 resumes, all with 5 years experience, all with similar dozen or so technologies, how do they choose which 10 or 15 to phone screen?

The answer is: the ones with the most compelling presentations of the user's capabilities, accomplishments, and skills on the job.

mcenedella··on Show HN: Leet Resumes – a free technical resume-writing service
Thanks for the comment ehiggs. This is a case of convergent evolution - I've been writing on resumes and career advice for over a decade, including several Amazon bestsellers: https://www.amazon.com/Ladders-Resume-Guide-Practices-Leader...
mcenedella··on Show HN: Leet Resumes – a free technical resume-writing service
As mentioned in other comments, our expertise, data, and insights are based on North American hiring practices. European CVs differ in practice quite a bit - for one glaring example, the common presence of a photo of the user on the resume. Our system is not at all capable of handling that today.
mcenedella··on Show HN: Leet Resumes – a free technical resume-writing service
Thanks for the comment ehiggs. We are not in Europe because we have no expertise in European CVs. (yet).
mcenedella··on Show HN: Leet Resumes – a free technical resume-writing service
Thanks for the feedback Riley. As mentioned in another comment:

"The plan is to become a trusted partner to engineers and technologists - helping to update their resume yearly, produce better resumes by having a deeper insight into their performance. That trust and that relationship will be super valuable and I'm sure we'll find the business model.

As mentioned in FAQs -- "In the future, we will offer additional upgraded services for purchase such as resume distribution, hosting, tracking, salary negotiation, vetted job opportunities, recruiter outreach and cover letter writing." -- but at this moment we don't really know.

The core product today is writing resumes and building that trust. I think if we do that very well, we'll have a lot of opportunities to make a successful business out of it. If we do that poorly, we'll have nothing. "

That's why we need a fully paid-up worldwide license.

mcenedella··on Show HN: Leet Resumes – a free technical resume-writing service
okay, Max, sign up for ours - it's free, as in beer.
mcenedella··on Show HN: Leet Resumes – a free technical resume-writing service
Exactly right mprev!
mcenedella··on Show HN: Leet Resumes – a free technical resume-writing service
Phil, you are 100% correct. If you have an active github profile, please share it, is exactly right.
mcenedella··on Show HN: Leet Resumes – a free technical resume-writing service
Please do! That's why it's there!

More useful information will be published on the blog regularly: https://leetresumes.com/blog

mcenedella··on Show HN: Leet Resumes – a free technical resume-writing service
The question isn't "can i get interviews with a bad resume?"

The question is "how many interview requests did I miss because of my bad resume?"

My company did the famous eye-tracking study that shows recruiters' first scan of your resume is 6 seconds long. In qualitative and quantitative research since then, we found what works best based on data.

mcenedella··on Show HN: Leet Resumes – a free technical resume-writing service
I can not believe they took your design without compensating you...
mcenedella··on Show HN: Leet Resumes – a free technical resume-writing service
As mentioned on our examples page, they are NOT recommended - parsers can not read graphics.
mcenedella··on Show HN: Leet Resumes – a free technical resume-writing service
Oh no rswemuc! I'm so sorry. It's the top result for 'software engineer resume' on Google, and the top resume shown by Zety.com -- I assumed it was their design, copyright, ownership. This is your design and they ripped it off?

I'm very sorry to say that it is an ineffective design. To understand why, you can see my interview with the CEOs and technical experts from the top 5 resume parsing companies here: https://www.theladders.com/career-advice/resume-parser-ceos-...

Thanks!

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