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> Instead society fell from something totally unexpected: No one wants to work anymore.

I can't tell if you're joking or not

This sort of thing would make me buy-in to tailscale, honestly.

I have this pattern where i avoid software i can't self host, because while i love paying for my products - i don't want to be cloud trapped. So some software/hardware, say Ubiquiti's suite - i buy and run locally. But sometimes cloud features are nice, so i enable them.

I don't _want_ Cloud, but knowing i'm not trapped makes me far more likely to be a customer. Knowing i can opt-in to cloud, opt back out, etc is great.

In practice i often end up buying Cloud. But i only first bought and continue to pay for services when i know i'm not trapped. The moment they start to make self-hosting a pain, or inhibited - i'm out.

Yea, IPFS has a horrible issue with representing what it .. is.

People, even in this thread, keep spouting privacy.. when i'm not sure if i've ever seen that as a goal.

If anything content addressability makes privacy remarkably difficult.

You can, though, kinda.

In your mailman example, it would be like the FBI announcing exactly what the envelope looks like, uniquely identifiable, and if you encounter this letter to report it immediately or else your complicit. Or at least, that's the fear.

Yes, if it's encrypted you have no idea, but if anyone ever found out what was in it you can know who ever transmitted it. Unless everyone re-encrypts it repeatedly.. which then makes content address-ability awkward.

Ah, i thought Authy was a service. So.. why can't OP use Authy with Google?

Google Auth is just TOTP, yet Authy is not capable of using it somehow? I'm so confused lol. I've used plenty of TOTP apps with Google.

But that would go up at the same rate as renting, no? I imagine you're replying mostly to the "mortgage stays fixed" comment, but relatively speaking i think it still holds true. Sure, taxes may change, but so does the value of the dollar, etc.

In theory every cost you pay as an owner, you pay as a renter - just with less time investment as a renter. It's a convenience fee.

> I can't wait for their reaction when I get my chicken coop...

Those are my goals too :)

Hope yours goes well. I'm trying to buy land for privacy trees and small farm. Hopefully, one day..

Do you have something against TOTP? Isn't it better than Authy?

Agree completely. My primary OS is NixOS, and i use it on my Mac laptop as well. I love Nix, but i absolutely hate Nix Lang's "typeless" user experience. Ie i can't look at some config, in my editor, and have any clue what it does. It's seemingly purposefully obtuse.

I use it, but i hate it, but i'll never leave it. I really hope for advancements in either the LSP or a sane type system (Nickel? Perhaps) to replace NixLang.

I think modern Nix (Flakes, modern CLI, etc) would be nearly flawless if i could get good inline information on each field, types, etc. When Nix Lang has as many language features as Rust, ie docstrings, types, etc - i think i'll love it. Until then it's an abusive relationship for me hah.

For people who follow this stuff, how viable is this sort of thing for simple program interfaces? Ie a flexible CLI?

I ask because while this thread is rightfully picking apart the bots ability to converse in the Turing sense, i am sitting here thinking it looks amazingly good at determining context, meaning, maybe even intent.

Throw that infront of a small local search engine of commands and parameters and it seems really neat.

Doubly so if you can train aliases into it locally, and easily. Ie Rather than full conversations to execute a command, can i briefly type something that's command-like but may not be exactly perfect as CLIs require? Ie could it turn a mistaken `gitls` into `git ls` reliably? Could it `curl localhost:8080 with a json object and the field foo: bar`? What about knowing that `rm -rf/` isn't likely a typo for `rm -rf /` but instead `rm -rf .`. And etc

It feels like we're far from AI, of course, but weirdly close to CLIs and Command Prompts changing. I wish i could build these sorts of models locally. I'd be super interested in this space.

Disclaimer: Just speculating with your scenario. I know nothing on this subject and my understanding of this deal is that of mild curiosity at best.

Fair point. Though i would think bots still affect price, right? Ie lets say it's 100% fake right now, what would the value be? Lets say $0 for easy math. Buying it at $54.20 means he has to at least clean up the bots enough to make it worth, at least, $54 to regain his investment.

So while i think your point is interesting, if bot count affects price then i feel one could argue there's a bot threshold whereby he would be over valuing it.

In your scenario the sweet spot would be if it was just enough bots to make $54 a fair price, but also lots of bots in total so that he could "fix the problem" and increase value.

For context, i don't suspect Godot has too much of what i'm focusing on built in. Versioning of my assets, build pipelines for asset source to optimize it or generate variations of it (2D images, renders, etc), generate configuration of available assets for use in game, etc.

Though i am purposefully using Rust, so even if Godot did it's a bit more awkward. There are Rust libs for Godot, though i'm not entirely sold on the libs quite yet.

My basic thought process is never do anything more than once for the creative work. If i can't find a way to keep overhead obscenely low then long term i will drown in one-offs.

I think the same way with game code. A heavy emphasis on testing, integration testing, etc. I don't have the time to Q&A for all possible regressions, so i have to ensure i do everything i can to make the engine very testable.

Minimizing repeat work is my goal with everything. Also insanely stable builds, i suppose. Ie i don't want a change in an asset to break historic builds or source. My source is tied to the assets at that time. etcetc

edit: And to be clear, i'm not writing a game engine myself. I'm using Bevy atm.

Haha, i'm pretty sure the stress of that would kill me. But i hope it works for you. Best wishes :)

I might be interested, but this group sounds too "serious" for me. Ie i'm serious, but i have a full time job, and i'm obsessive so i'm yakshaving the foundations of my projects. I'm less concerned with the final game, and more concerned with building a platform that helps me efficiently create.

While the game is my goal, i focus on the platform because i feel solo devs have a ton of overhead. I figure if i can optimize my the creative aspects of my work i will have better long term success. Point being, i am interested in this space but not in pushing X game out the door asap. I expect my first/second/third/etc games to be failures, stepping stones. I'm here for the journey. With an eye on burnout.

So i suspect my approach may not be focused enough for your group. As right not i'm working on archival and automation of creative pipelines moreso than games.

Back in those days i was quite heavily under sleeping and over coffee'ing, so quite possible. I haven't had an episode in ~8 years, but i also sleep and coffee intentionally these days.

Good point. I'll bring it up on my next visit, though it's been .. boy, 8 years since i had one last? Nevertheless, doesn't hurt to ask on routine visits.

I have self diagnosed (never saw a doc) Ocular Migraines, and the first time i encountered one it both amazed me and terrified me.

I was working and i noticed something was off with my vision, i couldn't read a label. I went to the bathroom and didn't see anything. I eventually realized i had a large deadspot in my vision that my mind was just... autocompleting. It looked flawless, but then i'd pass my hand slowly infront of the deadspot and there would be this strange artifact. My hand would be missing a finger, or this odd blending with the mirror behind it, etc.

It was like some poorly ML generated object removal. The scary thing was i had several, and had no idea. As i experimented with it further that day i was able to disappear entire vehicles (i wasn't driving thankfully), forklifts, etc.

I've only had ~half a dozen in my lifetime that i'm aware of, but i'm still quite fearful of experiencing one while i'm driving. As i likely would not realize what was wrong with me, immediately.

edit: Oh i should note, as the "migraine" clears, it turns the blindspots into this weird crystalline structure. Kinda like looking through a prism. It's a pretty crazy experience.

Reasonable is defined by what it takes to outsource.

If you cannot determine factors by which outsourcing is successful or not, by which it is accountable or not, democracy fails, and you can no longer outsource it.

You can cache the Rust target and make it use Rust's cache properly.

There are two common ways i'm familiar with. Cargo Chef and Manually. Manually can be a bit involved, but you basically just build with empty source and prune your fake-lib files from the cache dir. Cargo Chef is very easy.

My docker images build as fast as my local images. Though if you have many crates in a workspace it can start to become difficult.

Agreed, and we do nothing to fight that. We're all complacent with it. Hell, not only did we not fight it, ie we didn't push for government control and oversight, but we signed up. We let them in and laid out welcome platters.

This isn't about being informed on obscure topics. As i said this has nothing to do with Google. It's about our willingness to fight for a government that can handle this, and fight to control said government.

> My argument is that the "reasonably informed demographic" is incredibly small. I can only say the same thing so many times, though, so I'm not sure how to explain it in a different way.

I think we're in agreement here. To be clear, i'm mostly talking about intent, an attempt to stay informed and a willingness to act - to push for centralized leadership who is informed.

Ie as i said before, your grandma is not expected to know this. She is expected to fight for a government that will be, and that will also be able to be held accountable.

We have neither the oversight on government current, nor the willingness to act. Your grandma built the same world we are building today. One of inaction and obfuscation.

If society cannot be informed and active on what is essential to build that world (whatever that may be), then we are doomed. Currently, the population at large is not. At least, not from what i can see in action.

> Without post-secondary education in niche fields, this is becoming impossible. Especially across multiple services with changing terms, in countries with changing laws, in a world where technology evolution outpaces curriculum changes.

I agree, but again i go back to, "but how else can it work"?

Of course i don't expect everyone to be knowledgeable on all low level systems. However, to the point of your 85 year old grandma, she is a tiny demographic in a much larger, much more reasonably informed demographic who also completely ignore the implications.

Name a demographic that isn't wildly ignorant of things that are reasonable to know?

But again, i repeatedly fallback to "But who else can do this?". This is why i'm pro Government, but not until people start pushing for responsibility on this front. It may not be reasonable for your grandma to be responsible for Google Data stuff, but she _(and the rest of us)_ have sat around for dozens of years watching authority figures have little to no accountability or oversight.

The issue isn't about Google. The issue is about us, and our inability to build a government and authority system that is in-line with our views. We hand our power over with no thought or oversight and then we're shocked when it all comes back against us. This has nothing to do with Google or CS, imo.

But we can't live in a world where the responsibility isn't on the individual, can we?

Ie if we expect corporations to not fuck you over, who is there to enforce that? Who has the power to keep them in check? Okay, maybe Government should hold that role - but who then keeps the government in check? Who ensures that the spying or privacy from the Government is kept in check? etc

Ultimately the buck always stops at the individual. And we have to be hyper aware of long term implications, because money, greed and power has deep, deep pockets (as you also mentioned) and the fight will be never ending.

We, as a community, have de-propritized education, health care, public safety, privacy, etc. Sure, powerful forces have been pushing for that exact thing, but we can't expect them to "just be nice" or w/e.

I'm very pro "Big Government". However my ideas behind big government will not work without individual responsibility. Until then citizens are purposefully and willfully giving their power away with every tiny step. The blame is on us, and our current state is inevitable. My 2c.

Eh, it's exactly what you expect from America though. Ie the embodiment of short term thinking. Economy, environment, politics, etc - not that America is entirely unique here, just that the population seems to embrace this as a foundation in my experience.

Privacy to tech like this is very hypothetical till it happens, and it'll rarely happen. If it's not in our faces we won't vote against it.

I'm generally not looking to organize my thoughts. I'm looking to record my conclusions and ideally some way to see the history of that.

I too often feel like my brain is like Twitter/etc. I read an article, but summarize it heavily and forget the rest. I want to A: record the summary, so at least i don't forget that, and B: ideally record a few facts that lead to that summary-conlusion-thing. So if i have to rethink my conclusion i'll know what source material it came from.

Oof. Yea and when i bought mine, the 0% interest indicated that they were trying like mad to get rid of them.

Yea, the climate has me concerned if i need to buy. My current is a 2014 Toyota Prius, bought new and drive little. I had wanted to get another 10 years out of it, but now i feel like i need to get another 10 years out of it. This climate is crazy.

I love this car though. $24k with no interest, been fully paid off for a long time - was a great buy and has been rock solid. I hope i can get a deal this good in the future..

I imagine because, as i've heard not experienced, Amazon purposefully tries to churn employees. Sounds awful to work for.

Yup. As an aspiring indie game dev i eagerly await large scale emotive text to speech. Being able to write a script and have it "acted" for a fraction of the cost, possibly free if i build it myself, is kinda mind blowing.

As an aisde, i love Nix, but i hate the lack of types. It's such a chore to figure out what fields are on a value, is the value a func, what are the docs for that func, etc.

I have high hopes for Nickel[1]

[1]: https://www.tweag.io/blog/2022-03-11-nickel-first-release/