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I was similarly confused, and did some digging to determine that they are not related:

https://twitter.com/DAIRInstitute/status/1830719509931663411...

Yeah, capability for group permissions is a key part of the work happening on permissioned data in ATproto right now.

https://dholms.leaflet.pub/3meluqcwky22a

https://dholms.leaflet.pub/3mfrsbcn2gk2a

https://dholms.leaflet.pub/3mguviy6iks2a

https://dholms.leaflet.pub/3mhj6bcqats2o

I dunno man. Why was Tangled able to ship on top of ATProto even prior to getting funded, and ForgeFed has been hanging out for years?

I think you're missing the point.

With the IndieWeb version of POSSE, the source of truth is the webpage you control.

For the ATProto version of POSSE, the source of truth is the record in your PDS. That record is interesting because it is both content-addressed and signed with your private key.

Where ever that record is syndicated, the reader (or app displaying the content) should be able to demonstrably verify the authenticity of the record.

And you can host your own PDS entirely independent of Bluesky, there are several interfaces for both reading and publishing Standard.site records:

* Leaflet (https://leaflet.pub/ )

* pckt (https://pckt.blog/ )

* Wordpress (https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-atproto )

It's also not that hard to write your own display interface for just your data if you want.

This isn't accurate tho.

Neither Bluesky, nor other ATProto services require any of this.

RedDwarf is an example of an ATProto client that connects only with your PDS, uses Microcosm (https://www.microcosm.blue/ )'s aggregation index (they calculate aggregate counts for a variety of things with a couple of raspberry pis run off of a home fiber connection): https://reddwarf.app/

No big iron anywhere in the picture.

You give up the ability to search the network, but okay, that's already a feature that all Mastodon users sacrifice as well.

Yes, as far as i know it's an honest self-report kind of thing.

There are a lot of misunderstandings about what Blacksky is assuming that it's a just a community fork of Bluesky.

The Blacksky team has a much broader vision for which they decided ATProto was the right architecture.

There's a lot more to read about them up on their site: https://blackskyweb.xyz/

I love that the initial state itself isn't stable.

The world keeps moving around us. Can't choose staying still.

Anybody can sign up for Blacksky.

This is a piece written by Jeff Jarvis who was a founder of Entertainment Weekly and then a long time professor focused on innovation and journalism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Jarvis

So, it's a term of art, and i'll even agree that it's got a bit of a tech-y pejorative lean to it, but it's in wide use, and Jarvis certainly isn't solely a person who comes from tech.

I wouldn't write ATProto off as just microblogging, there are a bunch of interesting (and exciting depending on your POV) apps out there that _aren't_ microblogging apps. To name a few:

* https://stream.place

* https://tangled.org

* https://www.germnetwork.com/

* https://slices.network/

* https://smokesignal.events/

* https://www.graze.social/

There's still some more work to do to make the developer experience simple enough that it's a no-brainer for people to pick ATProto up in anger.

But there's a lot of work developing on that front, and the next 6-12 months will be super exciting to watch.

The longer story is that most people don't understand that ATProto is more than just Bluesky, and the usecases are wayyyyyy broader. That's going to take more time to play out in the market.

I'd argue that ATProto is the next iteration of open internet. It's what an internet where accounts/identity and verifiable content attribution are built in, and nobody using the technology needs to think about any of that.

There's a space here where we can move from nobody having smart phones or hosting digital presences -> everyone having digital presence provided by Facebook/Instagram, and icloud/google accounts -> Accounts w/ something like ATProto where its your stuff, you get to decide where you keep it, and you get to decide who gets access to it.

Yeah, that's falling directly into Facebook's talking points. It's a web extension, anybody can inspect the source. It doesn't do what Facebook is claiming. The NYU team bends over backwards to ensure that no personally identifying information about other users gets captured.

The privacy leak that Facebook is so concerned about is actually the identity of advertisers on their platform.

https://twitter.com/issielapowsky/status/1422879438765797380

It's very strange to call a proposal (negative income tax) made by economists as orthodox and central to 20th century conservative politics as Milton Freedman as _utopian_.

But even beyond the aspirations of a UBI/negative income tax, the real problem with any such proposal will be implementation and policy details which most UBI proponents don't talk about much if at all.

Will UBI be counted as income? How will this interact with other programs such as SNAP, healthcare subsidies, HUD housing subsidies, or any number of state operated programs? Will they be mutually exclusive?

Will existing policies or laws need to be modified in order to accommodate such a proposal?

Their crunchbase page says private for profit: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/scite#section-overvi...

Hey Jared, in fact, if you click into the video on the Open Steno page, the stenographer & developer you're talking about is Stan Sakai, who is involved in Open Steno:

https://twitter.com/stanographer

Right, and it's still sad to say that they capitalized on that fact so incredibly poorly that the following came to pass:

https://twitter.com/jacobian/status/1012781017940316161

> The Lawrence Journal-World, where Django was created, is now a Wordpress site. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2018/jun/26/redesign-ljworld/

Oh thanks for pointing this out. I'll hit the Muckrock team up and see if we can get the text button in there.

Yeah man, learning to scan a paper for interesting content is definitely a skill worth developing!

Really? For a 6 white paper?

Fine:

Tilde built a server monitoring daemon with Rust and it's low resource and doesn't crash. Tilde thinks the Rust community & its resources make it easier to teach to new team members.

> I wonder if NYT can help other news websites by making their code open source?

Hey! I, and a number of other news nerds have been encouraging FOSS for the past decade or so. And in fact a number of major open source projects have come out of news related projects, including Django, Backbone.js/Underscore.js, Rich Harris's work on Svelt.js, and a whole lot more.

Most often the problem with local news organizations are operational constraints. The news biz has seen a huge downturn over this same period of time. Most orgs, both on the reporting side and on the tech side are super strapped for people-time.

It's not enough to have FOSS software, you also have to have folks doing devops and maintaining systems often at below-market salaries.

Nah, the paper explicitly states that their system is not recurrent nor convolutional:

> To the best of our knowledge, however, the Transformer is the first transduction model relying entirely on self-attention to compute representations of its input and output without using RNNs or convolution.

Nothing about OpenAI actually addresses any real world problem. So i have a problem with their rhetoric as much as their research agenda.

Nothing they're writing about addresses any of the real world problems with how AI can or might be applied in society. They're a non-profit research lab with no clear agenda and no clear connection to how they plan to interrogate the world which seems like an important part of the equation if you care about outcomes.

So, irrespective of subjective judgements, please explain to me how any of this is supposed to help anyone?

Or, alternatively, how isn't this just free R&D for industry unshackled and unconnected to ethics or society?

> Print media provides a common landscape.

So does Hacker News. A major differentiating feature between Hacker News and Reddit was subreddits, and that has resulted in substantially different cultures (for better and worse).

Yeah, this is a narrative challenge in reporting. Often skewedness of a data set is a(n important) piece of background context, and figuring out how to get that detail into a story without being like AND HERE IS A BIG CHART WHICH YOU WILL NEED HELP INTERPRETING is non-trivial.

Yeah, i'll serve as a counter-example if you'd like.

I've been on the site for a long time, and there are things i love about HN, and many many things that i strongly dislike.

Blind-spots for politics (either with a capital P or lowercase p) is at the top of the list of things i think are fatally flawed with this community.

Especially since this community started as both software AND entrepreneurship, i find it unreasonable and untenable to claim that politics are dissociable from the topics discussed on this site (it is, at the very least, undeniably capitalist).

If you are building organizations, you cannot be agnostic about politics. Your organization will have politics, and you as a leader must define what values your organization has and how they are to be implemented. [for brevity, i will skip over the discussion of the value of diversity in organizations here]

And at this point if you think that i'm shifting or moving the goalposts away from software, i'm happy to bring it back. Especially in a space where you care about your users, and their user experience, you must meet them in their contexts and consider their needs. Those are also not devoid of politics, and there are even business decisions on which user bases to serve and why, many of which should not be devoid of policy and politics.

For example: https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-lets-advertisers...

Lastly, perhaps we'll retreat to "well threads about explicitly political topics devolve into shit shows", and i'd even probably agree with you, but the question is... so what? Just agreeing not to discuss these topics, some of which directly pertain to the development and productization of software just means that the mistakes that software orgs make won't be called out in HN. No one will learn from them here, and that seems like a big problem, especially for a community which folks come to in order to learn how to build software and organizations.

Agreeing not to discuss politics is not a solution to the problem being described. I'm not entirely clear what the correct solution is, but this is definitely not it.

Yeah. <3 your motivations, but i think this is just doomed to stifle important/legit conversations.

The idea that it's not possible to be thoughtful and political at the same time (and thus we should just cut out all/most the political stuff) is disheartening.

The problem isn't the politics, the problem is the lack of thoughtfulness.

I'm deeply ambivalent with this as an experiment. I hope it achieves what you're interested in without compromising the things I worry it will.

Okay. I'll bite. What should be done about posts on 18F? Or tech policy in the government? What about stories about legislation on encryption?

Are those all in the vein of things you think we should take a break from?

Hey Dan,

This seems like a dramatically misguided attempt to rectify conversational tone.

You can't de-program or disregard people's politics, it's shot throughout everything. Politics frame the foundational approach to recommending policy, how we make decisions and the stories and topics we care about.

It's important to find common ground and ways to discuss topics in spite of politics, not deny the fact that politics pervades everything.