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jwarden

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Philosophical engineer. Algorithms to fix conversations on the internet. Jonathanwarden.com Social-protocols.org
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jwarden··on OpenAI models secretly generate instructions to ignore constraints
Wouldn't it be possible to just fix a single activation, just set a continuous input to what the harness knows the role actually is. Models could then be trained to trust that input and not other signals about roles.
jwarden··on Show HN: Most Penalized HN Stories
Create of Quality New here. You are probably right here. The raw ranking formula is right, but I am lumping in the additional adjustments from the flamewar filter, etc. with "penalties." I will clarify that.
jwarden··on Show HN: Most Penalized HN Stories
Yes I should update the text on the page. Currently it says:

> This page shows stories whose rank on the Hacker News front page is significantly lower than their raw rank, indicating that they have been penalized by Hacker News moderators.

But flags, the anti-flamewar algorithm, and other automatic adjustments that aren't moderator actions may definitely be contributing.

jwarden··on Show HN: Exploring the intersection of prediction markets and social media
Neat idea. I would like to see a writeup of the thinking behind it.

Invokes several ideas: the Keynesian beauty contests and self-resolving prediction markets, and the Bayesian truth serum.

As a recommender system, I like the idea of a system where you gain some sort of credit (points, reputation, etc.) for upvoting something that eventually becomes popular before it becomes popular.

I see a huge variety of topics and languages. I think one problem is that most markets are going to have very little participation. Maybe starting with a filtered selection of already popular or trending-popular videos.

jwarden··on Qwen 3.8
That’s a lovely thought but that’s not how China works. China is not a democracy, the geopolitical goals of the Chinese government are clear, and no large strategic company acts without approval and heavy influence from the CCP.
jwarden··on Ask HN: What Are You Working On? (July 2026)
7stems.net: a Spanish verb conjugator and method for learning Spanish verb conjugation, where irregular verbs are just verbs with more than one stem. Also just self-published a book.
jwarden··on Why do commercial spaces sit vacant? (2025)
This explanation seems very implausible to me. By lowering the rent by X%, and therefore reducing annual revenue by X%, you admit the building is worth X% less. But by leaving the building X% vacant, also reducing the annual income stream by X%, you and the bank can somehow pretend the building is worth what it would be if full? I doubt owners and banks actually believe this. Is there some policy that forces this?
jwarden··on Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country
Edward Abby wrote about southern Utah. Red rock country. Box Elder County is northern Utah. Night and day.
jwarden··on What async promised and what it delivered
I think this is right. More specifically, the problem is JavaScript function colors mean Sync/Async, whereas Zig's mean Non-IO/IO. Using function colors for async is fundamentally unnecessary, whereas for I/O it is fundamentally necessary. You should be able to define a synchronous function that calls an asynchronous function. But it makes no sense to define a non-IO function that calls a function that does IO.

EDIT: with the exception of doing IO on a freshly allocated, in-memory buffer that doesn't escape the function call.

jwarden··on A case against currying
Here’s an article I wrote a while ago about a hypothetical language feature I call “folded application”, that makes parameter-list style and folded style equivalent.

https://jonathanwarden.com/implicit-currying-and-folded-appl...

jwarden··on IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report
I think we should avoid suggesting that other people on this forum are evil, even if you think their ideas and arguments are harmful.

I think sometimes people are so certain about their beliefs that they perceive any argument that challenges them to be evil, bad faith trickery. But I think the best way to respond to these arguments is simply to give compelling reasons why they are wrong (and not why the person giving them is bad).

Otherwise, some people will be mislead by these bad arguments and you will have done nothing to help but say “don’t listen to him he’s evil”, which is not very convincing really.

jwarden··on US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere
What if the truth is that something is a lie?

Promoting truth and opposing lies are the same thing.

jwarden··on OpenAI has deleted the word 'safely' from its mission
This writeup is very useful simonw.

But the title of this HN post is extremely misleading. What happened is that OpenAI rewrote the mission statement, reducing it from 63 words to 13. One of the 50 words they deleted happens to be "safely".

jwarden··on AI fatigue is real and nobody talks about it
It’s like being a manager.
jwarden··on Slop Terrifies Me
Capitalism just means private citizens can own the means of production (e.g. start a business, buy stock) and earn a return on investment. It doesn’t mean only the rich must get richer. It means anyone who saves and invests their money instead of spending it gets richer.

However capitalism is perfectly compatible with a progressives taxation system such that the rich get richer at a lesser rate than the poor get richer.

jwarden··on Are arrays functions?
Right, so for a subset of functions, a language could implement an extensional equality test operator `==` for two functions by calling the functions for every possible input. It would be prohibitively slow for some functions, but correct.

But for other functions, even that won't be possible.

The point is that functions and arrays may be practically different. You can always do an `==` test on the contents of two arrays, but you can't do the same for two arbitrary functions.

jwarden··on I stopped following the news
Yes that’s a good point.
jwarden··on I stopped following the news
Reading the news and being informed are two separate things. Being an informed citizen, the kind that democracies need to survive, also requires 1) being informed of history and 2) understanding issues in depth.

People who consume a lot of news tend to have very shallow understanding of a broad range of current events. Worse they tend to be passive receivers of news instead of active seekers of information with intent to understand the world.

As a result, they are very susceptible to manipulation through selection of what makes the news they tend to consume. They become passive pawns in political power struggles.

jwarden··on Are arrays functions?
One case where a function is often not substitutable for an array is equality testing. In a language where any two arrays with the same elements in the same order are equal ([1,2] == [1,2]), the same cannot always be true of two equivalent functions. That is because extensionally equality is undecidable for arbitrary functions.

Arrays and functions may be mathematically equivalent but on a programming language level they are practically different.

jwarden··on I rebooted my social life
Ouch! I don’t think that’s fair.

It sounds like his professional life or personal interests naturally being him in contact with a social circle that isn’t fulfilling socially. Doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with him.

I say, look outward! Intentionally get involved with other social circles.

jwarden··on I'm a Tech Lead, and nobody listens to me. What should I do?
Listen to them.
jwarden··on Just 0.001% hold 3 times the wealth of poorest half of humanity, report finds
Assuming a self-similar 80/20 Pareto wealth model (a fractal Lorenz curve), the headline number generalizes as:

    Just x%   | % wealth held | × poorest half
    ---------+---------------+----------------
    20%      | 80%           | 4.00x
    4.0%     | 64%           | 3.20x
    0.80%    | 51%           | 2.56x
    0.16%    | 41%           | 2.05x
    0.032%   | 33%           | 1.64x
jwarden··on Duplication Isn't Always an Anti-Pattern
This reminds me of the philosophical distinction between "sense" and "reference" introduced by Frege.

https://www2.lawrence.edu/fast/ryckmant/On%20Sense%20and%20R...

jwarden··on AWS multiple services outage in us-east-1
But you will never guess that the latest tik-tok craze will last another 50 years, and you'll never guess that Saturday Night Live (which premiered in 1075) will end 5-minutes from now. Your guesses are thus more likely to be accurate than if you ignored the information about how long something has lasted so far.
jwarden··on GPT-5
It does seem like common sense that they would be linked. But there is also research:

https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/02/06/correlation...

jwarden··on GPT-5
I haven’t heard that statistic before. And the formulation seems imprecise? Does continuously beating the market mean that every single minute your portfolio value gains relative to the market?
jwarden··on Ask HN: What Are You Working On? (June 2025)
I am working on Community Notes for Bluesky: https://github.com/johnwarden/open-community-notes
jwarden··on Juneteenth in Photos
I didn't realize "Juneteenth" was considered "Black-sounding" by some people. Juneteenth is a pretty culturally mainstream term (being a national holiday). And forming new words using contractions doesn't seem like a typically Black-person thing to do.

I associate the term with Black people, not because of how it sounds, but because I know what it means and know about it's origin among formerly-enslaved Black communities.

jwarden··on Why quadratic funding is not optimal
Author here. @sokoloff also pointed this out in their comment. You are right, the example confuses by making the group sizes different.

I will update the article so it reads like this:

    Ten wealthy art patrons each contribute €1,000,000 to the local public art museum.
        Total Contributions: 10×€1,000,000=€10,000,000
        QF allocates:  (10×sqrt(1,000,000))²=€100,000,000
    Subsidy: €90,000,000

    Ten lower‑income individuals each contribute €100 to replace lead pipes in their neighborhood
        Total Contributions: 10×€100=€1,000
        QF allocates: (10×sqrt(100))²=€10,000
    Subsidy: €9,000.
Here, both groups get their contributions multiplied 10x. But the high-income group gets 10,000x the subsidy.

Given the assumption of wealth equality (and other assumptions), the QF paper proves that allocating more money to art maximizes social welfare, because if people contribute more to the art, it means art it has more utility.

But given the reality of wealth inequality, and the theory of diminishing marginal utility of wealth, the wealthy may contribute more to art simply because they can afford it, and because 1,000,000 may not have any more utility to them than 100 has to a very poor person.

jwarden··on Why quadratic funding is not optimal
Exactly.
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