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It's clearly a flagrant lie that deliberately changes the meaning of an apocalyptic supernatural end-times narration into something that it's clearly not. the narration describes what will happen and is evidently and clearly not giving any commands like the bad-faith writer of that article distorts it to be.

the israeli "human shields" narrative is pure hasbara and israeli projection anyway

"The Israeli military has used Palestinians as human shields in Gaza, soldier and former detainees say" [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/24/middleeast/palestinians-h...]

"Over the years, the israeli military practiced an official policy of using Palestinians as human shields" [https://www.btselem.org/topic/human_shields]

"Israel has taken human shields to a whole new criminal level" [https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/10/20/israel-has-tak...]

you are perfectly correct, you are being downvoted because zionists hate facts that poke holes in their false narratives.

you think that's the narrative Israel and its allies would go with? Never.

Israel and its allies would cry and whine as if a second holocaust occurred. They would pretend like they haven't done something similar thousands of times before to their enemies and that this retaliation on the Mossad HQ is some sort of uniquely evil and unprecedented event in human history.

Israelis always prefer using the most absurd victim narratives possible. Only Israel can be the biggest bully while also roleplaying as the biggest victim, but it's not surprising considering that even the mossad's motto[0] is "By way of deception you shall engage in war."

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By_Way_of_Deception

ADDENDUM: "2023 marks deadliest year on record for children in the occupied West Bank" PUBLISHED: 18 Sep 2023 i.e. BEFORE OCT 7 https://www.savethechildren.net/news/2023-marks-deadliest-ye... (this is the actual article I should have referenced)

"18 Sept 2023 - At least 38 Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces in the occupied West Bank so far in 2023, making it the deadliest year since records began, said Save the Children."

>I followed your link. The article is written in February of 2024, and it specifically is specifically referencing "the last 4 months". More than half of those 507 Palestinian deaths occurred AFTER October 7th. So you've deliberately misrepresented the conclusions of this article to bolster the idea that October 7th was just retaliation. That's a boldly revisionist take to proffer for something that happened barely a year ago.

Here is the correct article: " 2023 marks deadliest year on record for children in the occupied West Bank" PUBLISHED: 18 Sep 2023 i.e. BEFORE OCT 7 https://www.savethechildren.net/news/2023-marks-deadliest-ye...

"18 Sept 2023 - At least 38 Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces in the occupied West Bank so far in 2023, making it the deadliest year since records began, said Save the Children."

So my argument is perfectly correct and if you had a shred of honesty you could have checked what happened before October 7 yourself to realize that my argument is perfectly correct, but you preferred to engage in your little zionist projection rant and pretend that history began on Oct 7 because that's the only way you can uphold your cognitive dissonance.

The problem is that Thiel himself clearly didn't understand the message of the novel. Quoting Ender's Game to justify genocide[1] fundamentally misinterprets the novel. Ender is horrified when he realizes he has been tricked into committing genocide and spends his life seeking redemption. Thiel on the other hand is bending over backwards to lie to the audience in order to justify the genocide.

Even before the genocide began, it was clear from how israeli officials repeatedly referenced Dresden that they viewed the bombing as a model for their actions—and that is precisely what they did. Thus, it is even more absurd for Thiel to claim that they "didn't Dresden Gaza." They did, and it is much worse and it still hasn't stopped after more than a year.

[1] https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/prof-amos-go... - Israel 'undoubtedly committing genocide' says Holocaust scholar Amos Goldberg

Thiel is such a propagandist, his speech reminds me of Nazi propaganda where the Nazis claimed that Jews had declared war on Germany. This narrative was part of a broader anti-Semitic campaign to justify the persecution of Jews. The Nazis cited several instances as evidence of this purported declaration of war by Jews, most notably a headline from the British newspaper The Daily Express on March 24, 1933, which read "Judea Declares War on Germany." This headline was in response to a worldwide boycott of German goods organized by Jewish groups to protest against the early actions of the Nazi government, such as the boycott of Jewish businesses in Germany.

The Nazi regime used this headline and other similar international actions to claim that the global Jewish community was an enemy of Germany. This supposed declaration of war served as a convenient pretext for the Nazis to intensify their anti-Semitic policies, which eventually led to the Holocaust. The narrative fit into the broader Nazi ideology that portrayed Jews as an existential threat to the German nation and the Aryan race, and it was used to justify the systematic genocide that was to follow. This is akin to Thiel stating "well, if the jews had the power, they too would have committed a holocaust against the Germans", this is sheer insanity, he uses a similar argument to justify the Palestinian genocide. Stating "they didn't dresden Gaza", huh? What Israel did to Gaza is, by any measurable metric, much worse than what happened to Dresden. His defense of Israel's Genocide of Palestinians is not just factually wrong but filled with statements that are evidence of his denial of reality.

At 1:03:05 Thiel states: "the intent to commit a crime is where the crime gets committed". LOL, and the audience clapped - what absolute insanity. Legally and pragmatically, that statement is absurd. One can not judge people based on their "intentions", which can't be separated from personal bias and interpretation, but only on their concrete actions and not their perceived "thought crimes".

So Thiel dishonestly removes all context of a century of brutal colonialism and ethnic-cleansing to paint the crudest zionist propaganda of "they just want to kill all jews" instead of a colonized people whose children, in the same year - months before that event, were brutally murdered by the israeli occupation as they have done for decades: At least 507 Palestinians were killed in the West Bank in 2023, including at least 81 children, making it the deadliest year for Palestinians since the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) began recording casualties in 2005. [https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/shocking-spik...]

Weaponizing antisemitism to disguise colonialism is extremely heinous and cheapens real antisemitism - would it make any difference if the occupiers were Scientologists? If you lose your land and property why would you care about the identity of your oppressor?

Even Ahmed Yassin the founder of hamas has a famous video shared across social media where he states: “We don’t hate Jews and fight them because they are Jews. Jews are people of a religion, and we are people of a religion. We love all people of religion. My brother even if he is my brother and he is a Muslim, If he steals my house and kicks me out, I will resist him.”

Although the zionist propagandists know very well that it is their oppressive occupation for which they are hated, they still prefer peddling a false narrative that their targets of colonization just "hate the jews", because it's a very potent narrative that plays into islamophobic and orientalist tropes which the western world finds appealing.

The situation described in Iran after the Islamic Revolution did not even remotely constitute genocide or similar. Genocide is defined as the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group—in whole or in part. While the Jewish community in Iran has faced discrimination, emigration, and instances of harassment and persecution, these conditions do not amount to genocide. The term genocide involves deliberate acts aimed at the physical extermination of a group, and this has not been the case with the Jewish community in Iran, despite the difficulties they have faced. The Iranian government officially recognizes Judaism, allows for Jewish religious practices, and Jews also have a reserved seat in Parliament. There has never been widespread killings or any organized campaign targeting Jews specifically for eradication in Iran, except for isolated cases against jews accused of spying for America and/or Israel. None of this was ethnic-cleansing or genocide.

The establishment of Israel in 1948 and its Law of Return, which grants automatic citizenship to Jews worldwide, made Israel an appealing destination for many Jewish emigrants from Iran, that's why the overwhelming majority emigrated, but there were also substantial numbers who resettled in the United States, particularly in cities like Los Angeles and New York.

If you isolate the statement and offer 0 charity then it is, but from the context and the following sentence it's clear that he a) either doesnt know exactly when the Mandate began or b) did simply mean Palestine but confused time periods which becomes apparent by the following sentence: "That all changed once the ideology that the land belonged to Jews began to make rounds following the conclusion of WW2...". So I think my interpretation is fair and charitable based on a holistic reading.

The hebron massacre happened 12 years after the Balfour Declaration so at that point the Palestinians were already fully aware that they were being colonized and they had also experienced discrimination and violence at the hands of the british and the zionists. Just describing this violence with "both sides" is erasing so much colonial history and justified resistance by Palestinians who had every right to oppose the colonization they saw unfolding right before their eyes.

When he writes "In the Palestine Mandate, Jews and Palestinians got along just fine" he clearly means that the centuries of peaceful co-existence before the arrival of Zionists are evidence that Zionism was and still is the root cause of hostilities and violence. That event which you referenced didn't happen in a vacuum since at that point Zionist colonization[1] was already in full force for decades and was systematically discriminating against the native Palestinians and trying to dispossess them deploying various strategies outlined in Jabotinsky's writings.

"The Irgun has been viewed as a terrorist organization or organization which carried out terrorist acts.

The Irgun policy was based on what was then called Revisionist Zionism founded by Ze'ev Jabotinsky.[6] Two of the operations for which the Irgun is best known are the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946 and the Deir Yassin massacre that killed at least 107 Palestinian Arab villagers, including women and children, carried out together with Lehi on 9 April 1948.

The organization committed acts of terrorism against Palestinian Arabs, as well as against the British authorities, who were regarded as illegal occupiers.[7] In particular the Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by the United Nations, British, and United States governments; in media such as The New York Times newspaper;[8][9] as well as by the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry,[10][11] the 1946 Zionist Congress[12] and the Jewish Agency.[13] Albert Einstein, in a letter to The New York Times in 1948, compared Irgun and its successor Herut party to "Nazi and Fascist parties" and described it as a "terrorist, right wing, chauvinist organization".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

[1] The History of "Socialist" Zionism | Leftist Zionists did the Nakba & founded Israel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehp9PZo4UR0

>Have you even read what the GitHub project is doing? It’s trivial what’s flawed with it within a few minutes, starting with the assumption that stories don’t drop suddenly in a minute even though they’ve been told that there’s an 18 hour derank timer!

I've read exactly what it's doing and it's only a fraction of the data-source for that observation. Many people, including myself, observed that zionist brigrading pattern for the past 12 months. Even harmless stuff from what's mildly critical of israel gets immediately flagged, so much so that one can hover over the post expecting it to get flagged so one can immediately vouch for it - so it doesnt lose traction - but even after many people vouch for it, the zionist flagging brigade often comes back to kill it or just stifle its traction and yank it from the front page. The latter is especially successful since it is invisible censorship that helps them maintain plausible deniability, you can claim that the article hasn't been censored since it's sill up but the end-result is the same i.e. diminished visibility away from the front page.

>Regardless, duh contentious issues get flagged and downranked more often. Large swathes of HN don’t want to see politics or flame wars here, pro-Israel or anti-Israel. If you’ve ever flagged a pro-Israel post, you’re doing the exact same thing that people would accuse this place of burying any pro-Israel post.

It's not just "contentious" stuff, ANYTHING even mildly critical of israel gets mass false flagged by zionists brigading HN. While writing this reply I've also realized that, lo and behold, you unironically share ADL and IDF propaganda as if it were factual, you're a zionist yourself so it's not surprising that you would try to downplay and deflect in this manner.

>Here’s an idea, do an HN search for Gaza and Israel and run the numbers on how many major posts are critical or supportive of Israel?

Here's an idea, next time you try to pretend there is no zionist brigading of HN don't try to deceive people by using a handful of old articles that survived the false flagging attempts as if those are statistically significant over thousands of posts that were successfully buried by zionist brigading for the past 12 months.

>Surely if there’s so few major anti-Israel posts because of brigading, there should be many more pro-Israel, according to your flawed perspective?

Your flawed and primitive logic doesn't even compute, how could there be "many more pro-israel" posts during an active Genocide[1] that israel is committing!? At best there could be articles that are desperately trying to engage in denial, deflection or failed justifications but still end up being outnumbered since most people regardless of affiliation are not big fans of genocidal entities, thus most of these never make it to the front page and require no flagging. israel has committed so many war-crimes in the past 12 months that a proportional amount of submissions will require more false flagging by zionists who want to suppress anything critical of israel and I wouldn't even call these articles "pro-palestine" they are just reporting on israel's depraved behavior and zionists would rather bury such news quickly and they act accordingly. Someone like you who unironically references the racist & deceptive ADL[2] as a reliable source will obviously deflect from the coordinated flagging that is both observable and manifests itself in data that has been tracked for the past 12 months.

[1] https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/prof-amos-go... jewish holocaust scholars like Amos Goldberg & Raz Segal have described it as "undoubtedly Genocide".

[2] https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/emmaia-gelman-anti-def... "Under the guise of fighting hate speech, the ADL has a long history of wielding its moral authority to attack Arabs, blacks, and queers."

one man's terrorist is another man's subject of idol worship.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/23/bern...

> How many more do you need? Your bias is showing, same as when different people simultaneously complain that HN is "too left" or "too right."

Your reliance on a handful of outdated posts is statistically insignificant when trying to deny the clear trend of Zionist brigading over the past 12 months. Through the https://github.com/vitoplantamura/HackerNewsRemovals , we can track the data and see a clear pattern of brigading when it comes to anything that's remotely critical of Israel. And even those which you listed survived mass false flagging attempts.

How could five articles, all older than 5-6 months, ever be statistically significant against the backdrop of thousands of such articles being mass flagged by zionists EACH month? Ignoring this overwhelming evidence of coordinated downvoting and flagging only highlights your own bias.

He's correct and you referencing a single article that is 6 months old, 1 of thousands that survived the flagging by brigading zionists, is not any sufficient evidence to the contrary.

One can easily see how many Gaza related articles get immediately flagged and removed here https://github.com/vitoplantamura/HackerNewsRemovals

We can clearly see from how the US aids and abets genocide[0] in Gaza that they make no judgments based on international law, ethics or sound moral values but only based on the geopolitical interests of their ruling elite and their lobbyists regardless of what the majority of the population they rule over thinks in this regard. If you believe for a second that America is helping Ukraine out of the goodness of their hearts or because "it's the right thing to do" then I have a bridge to sell you. It's a proxy war for them and the US would let happen to Ukraine and Ukrainians that which it lets happen to Gaza and Gazans if it were aligned with their geopolitical interests. US politics couldn't be possibly more machiavellian than it already is.

[0] https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/prof-amos-go...

>Source for they "systematically vilified ALL protestors"?

smearing peaceful marches as "hate marches", the tweet itself which explicitly states that the ideology of protestors i.e. supporting resistance against occupation makes them "terrorists", smearing protestors as "antisemites", this one is an all time classic, any resistance to the racist colonial project will lead zionists to smear you as an "antisemite" any chance they get

>Is this going to be the same thing as the original tweet, where they don't actually say all protesters are bad

So you would accept it when people would say that jews are pro-genocide and land theft but when accused of antisemitism you would say "no thats actually not antisemitism since he clearly didnt say ALL jews" - Ofc you wouldn't, that's where you would flip-flop on your logic and pretend like you never made the opposing argument. You engage in weaselly dishonest quarreling and you know it.

>In the case of the nazis, we know that's not the case because of what they did afterwards, but that doesn't give you license to extrapolate in every case. You can't extrapolate "I hate billionaires who don't pay their fair share of taxes" to "I hate all billionaires".

Ah ok, so in case of Nazis we can extrapolate because of their actions, but in case of these Zionists who systematically and persistently engaged in vilification of all protestors and justified genocide for almost a year we somehow can't, lol. The dishonesty is so glaring.

>Don't you think it's a bit irresponsible to paint the other side as a monolith?

Israeli propaganda couldn't even function without painting the other side as a monolith, their propaganda is that crude and dishonest. I mean it's funny how you once again turn the issue on its head where the propagandist vilifying peaceful protests as "hate marches" is somehow the victim. You are not a serious person and you've already wasted my time with incoherent denial hell-bent on denying the obvious.

>You accuse them of "indiscriminately smeared protestors", but so far as I can tell, neither @Isarel tweet nor the @ShaiDavidai thread said that all protesters were terrorists

LOL so according to your logic, although they both systematically vilified ALL protestors for months but haven't explicitly used the word "all" that is enough plausible deniability tho the smear is indiscriminate? So then we can also go through Nazi propaganda and every time it fails to include the word "all" we can assume that the Nazis didn't mean the peaceful jews, just some specific jews!? You simply want to argue for the sake of it, any sane person sees it for what it is - an attempt to vilify ALL protestors, like they have done consistently for decades.

Zionists systematically vilified ALL protestors and pro-israel media explicitly described peaceful marches as "hate marches". You're playing devil's advocate but you are doing a terrible job at it and I don't even need to take into account the history of both accounts to prove my point because it's so obvious to anybody who isn't hell-bent on denying the obvious.

Your rhetoric is so laughable it's insane, you clearly enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing but you will not succeed in this case. Both tweets indiscriminately smeared protestors as "terrorists" and Israel's official account just said "they[the protestors] are terrorists" merely based on "their ideology" but you want me to be so charitable towards a propaganda account that even engaged in propaganda against Palestinians that is reminiscent of Nazi propaganda!? (e.g. caricatures of Palestinians as cockroaches and rats)

>"well they don't say that explicitly, but if you take the other stuff they're doing into context then it's pretty clear think that and are engaging in propaganda"

this is a laughable straw-man. I'm saying, as it's tweeted, that they smeared the protestors indiscriminately as terrorists based on their ideology of supporting resistance to colonization, but you are bending over backwards to sanitize the tweet by arguing semantics like a Nazi who hides behind dog-whistles and ambivalent language to retain a small degree of plausible deniability. anyone who is not hell-bent on arguing for the sake of arguing knows exactly that the purpose of that rhetoric is the blanket vilification of all protestors like they have done consistently for the past year. it's documented how zionists have persistently tried to smear protestors as "antisemitic", "terrorists" or any other evil known to man. Such dishonest strategies are the bread and butter of zionist propaganda. I will no longer entertain your bad faith argumentation.

It's not a stretch by any means - you are bending over backwards to sanitize the most obvious propaganda to vilify and demonize protesting students at columbia by hyperfocusing on the fringe and leveraging that to delegitimize the whole. It's a pattern of propaganda in which Israel engages in regularly, one of their favorite strategies in fact. Both Israel's official account and Shai applied their smears indiscriminately, so there is no reason why I would need to interpret either tweet charitably since they are both primarily engaged in propaganda.

Nice deflection but you're arguing in bad faith.

The OP is correct, since although the official Israel account is quote tweeting Shai Davidai, the most shameless zionist hasbarist on twitter, Israel's tweet is still self contained and is clearly trying to demonize and vilify the protestors as terrorists based on their "ideology" i.e. fighting back against your colonizer and oppressor is "terrorism" because any opposition to the racist colonial enterprise that is Israel has to be demonized and delegitimized by Zionists while they themselves engage in blatant terrorism. Israel's propaganda is so awful and lazy that it has become predictable. They will always hyperfocus on fringe cases, even manufacture such cases if they don't exist, in order to delegitimize the whole protest.

And anyone who actually followed the protests carefully has witnessed that Zionists were the aggressors trying to intimidate anyone who opposes Israel's actions in Gaza in any shape or form. Furthermore, the "they were intimidating jewish students" narrative has become so laughable at this point because zionists perceive any opposition to Israel as "intimidating" and so they are abusing the jewish identity as a shield to protect the israeli apartheid entity from criticism. People are sick and tired of this game because they have seen zionists playing these sick and twisted mind games for decades.

>OpenAI has also banned Israeli influence operations. Do you think the above isn't going far enough?

How is that far enough when their head of research is a genocidal zionist?[1]

>It's also strange that you call out all pro-Israel comments as a cause for concern.

What's so strange about calling pro-Israel comments as a cause for concern when Israel has been on what jewish holocaust scholars like Amos Goldberg & Raz Segal have described as [2]"undoubtedly Genocide"?

Quite the opposite actually, the OP is spot on: how can someone like Tal Broda still work at OpenAI as head of research when he has openly spewed genocidal[1] incitement?

People in tech always talk about avoiding bias in AI and the proceed to retain such a hateful genocidal individual. There is no way in hell that if the roles were reversed and an arab person had made the statements that Tal Broda has made that he would have ever been allowed to keep his job. They would have fired him immediately.

The double standards are so ugly and glaring that they will be studied by future generations.

[1] https://x.com/StopArabHate/status/1806450091399745608

[2] https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/prof-amos-go...

It's not a stretch at all - especially when Israelis love to brag about it, but when called out on it, they deny at all costs.

The mandatory military service, which you mentioned, where most israeli citizens serve in the IDF, will naturally lead to connections between tech and the military.

There is also technology transfer i.e military technologies may be adapted for civilian use by startups e.g. Cybersecurity, AI, that's why the israeli military funds even civilian startups especially when they are "Dual-use technologies" i.e. technologies that have both military and civilian applications

It's also common sense to not trust startups in a nation where genocidal[0] sentiment has prevailed.

So you can see many israeli "civilian" businesses[1][2] assist & whitewash the genocidal onslaught willingly & enthusiastically.

[0] https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/how-israels-war-gaza-e...

[1] https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/10/28/wix-addressin...

[2] https://www.wix.com/app-market/stand-with-israel

Just the founder of CircleCI listing some uncomfortable facts such that you instinctively derive the best resolution to it.

>Everyone has a snippy argument for why opioid opinion is wrong.

So why did you not give your argument? I've at least put in the work to provide evidence & arguments for my thesis, you on the other hand are just saying handwavy stuff.

>I’m not saying, in this case, that the majority is correct. (Nor the inverse.) Just that it is the reason Israel enjoys such support here.

Yes and I've explained how that is largely a product of manufactured consent and there is plenty of evidence for that. I've only provided a fraction of the available evidence here supporting that thesis.

>(Would also note that both sides fervently believe the media is conspiring against them.)

That's just completely asinine framing, at least critique the article, the argument or the data instead of making my position out to be something conspiratorial

David Wasserstein, Professor of Jewish History: "Islam saved Jewry. This is an unpopular, discomforting claim in the modern world. But it is a historical truth."

https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/so-what-did-the-muslims-do-f...

https://jewishstudies.stanford.edu/events/david-wasserstein-...

That really doesn't mean much in a society that has perfected the art of manufacturing consent[0]

"The survey puts numbers on trends that have become increasingly apparent: Cable news viewers are more supportive of Israel’s war effort, less likely to think Israel is committing war crimes, and less interested in the war in general. People who get their news primarily from social media, YouTube, or podcasts, by contrast, generally side with the Palestinians, believe Israel is committing war crimes and genocide, and consider the issue of significant importance.

WE OFTEN HEAR people say that “Twitter isn’t real life” or that “Nobody watches cable news,” but the survey asked where people get most of their news, asking them to pick just one, and cable and social media won out. Most Americans do in fact get their news either primarily from cable (42 percent) or social media like TikTok, Instagram, or another platform (18 percent). A third of people said they get their news from YouTube or podcasts, with 13 percent saying they got most of their news that way.

Asked generally where folks got their news on a day-to-day basis, with a “check all that apply” option, it’s even more clear how dominant cable (55 percent), social media (38 percent), and podcasts/YouTube (34) are compared to print, at 21 percent. (I read the survey as using “print” as a stand-in for any text-based media, whether digital like The Intercept or on actual printed paper.) "

Even the polls you referenced show how stark the contrast between young and old americans are on this topic. Some of the older americans barely have any education on this topic but just stick with the zionist propaganda they were fed when they were younger, they couldn't even locate Israel/Palestine on a map.

Most of the older christian zealots don't have the critical thinking skills or capacity to change their mind on the topic because their indoctrination is so thorough that they'd rather deny reality than face the facts. Not surprising considering they grew up on a mantra that the so called "chosen" people can do no wrong.

I think if those christians who voted favorably had seen how israelis spit[3] on christians and assault[4][5] christians, their opinions would change swiftly, but the news channels they consume won't feed them this reality because consent needs to be manufactured.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent

[1] https://theintercept.com/2024/04/30/gaza-israel-palestine-ca...

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJNfKTO7XK8

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBdF3qyO2zU

[5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq28ZFNzaWM

"Two officials from the Palestinian Ministry of Health have told CNN that although the ministry keeps a separate death toll for identified and unidentified individuals, the total number of people killed remains unchanged.

The total number of dead also does not include the approximately 10,000 people who are still missing and trapped under the rubble, the officials added.

CNN has seen a daily report from the Palestinian health ministry which matches the number OCHA published in the revised version. A total of 15,103 children and 9,961 women have been killed in Gaza since October 7, the Gaza ministry of health said in its latest report."

[0] https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/13/middleeast/death-toll-gaza-fa... - Updated 2:12 AM EDT, Tue May 14, 2024

That analogy makes zero sense, the Allies were not a settler colonial organization trying to ethnically cleanse natives. Maybe start learning a bit of history before Oct 7, start by reading about the actions of early Zionists[0].

"The organization [Irgun] committed acts of terrorism against Palestinian Arabs, as well as against the British authorities, who were regarded as illegal occupiers.[7] In particular the Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by the United Nations, British, and United States governments;"

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun