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The article, while interesting, is clearly Claudeslop.

Bluesky?

> tangled will struggle to have private repos that align with user expectations for RBAC, atproto ACL permission proposal is insufficient, Bluesky is not interested in alternative proposals, the centralization of atproto is most prominant in who has write permissions to the repos

This isn't entirely true because we're working on our own extensions to the protocol that will enable full-fledged RBAC at a knot/repo level. We're not beholden to PBC and AT Protocol; when needed, we're OK to roll custom bits.

Great! Then we've got a hosted solution at tangled.org. :)

> Tangled is forcing some of their particular technologies (nix/rust) on users for those pieces and that is a hard sell. I don't use those techs, so I'm not interested to use a platform that I need to learn them to use.

Tangled CEO here. How are we pushing Rust exactly? :D Nix, yes but you don't really need to touch it at all with our Alpine-based CI images.

We have been under heavy load the past day or so, we're working round the clock to scale!

Forgejo federation being mentioned each time never stops being silly. It hasn't been a thing for years, and they don't appear to have made any meaningful progress to show for.

We don't yet support private repos, correct. This is very high priority on our roadmap (~6-8wks out).

Of course, just head to tangled.org/timeline :)

Yes, it's on the roadmap.

We already support JJ for stacked PRs, but more native integration is planned.

https://blog.tangled.org/stacking

The neat thing about Tangled is you can build your own frontend pretty quickly. We've got an open API https://api.tangled.org (or self-host your own API server: https://docs.tangled.org/bobbin#bobbin)

It's not crypto anything.

https://tangled.org! Founder/CEO here. We're a new forge building things from the ground up, and are fully federated -- you can host your git repos on your own infra, along with the CI runners. We've also got a pretty neat set of features (if I may say so myself): stacked PRs, Nix-based CI (if you want it), and a fully open protocol (https://atproto.com) to for you and your agents.

Happy to answer any questions.

https://tangled.org would love to have you :) We're hosted in the EU, and are free for open source, forever. Tangled is also designed to be federated from ground up, so you get to own your infra & data while still participating in an open network.

It initially begun as an email thread, but we settled on WhatsApp owing to, well, most people having WhatsApp.

Thanks for reminding me to attend this. I'll try to join the next one!

I mean, it's an sqlite file on disk. You can sync it however you like. https://litestream.io is a fun choice.

We’re solving for this very issue. Issues & pulls will belong to the repo, backed by a “COB” (collaborative object) system.

Tangled is built for jj :) We support stacking using jj change ids: https://blog.tangled.org/stacking

That's Tangled! Self-host your knots, AT Protocol for identities, and an "indexer" at tangled.org (easily replaced).

Cool. It's been years since ForgeFed came out but it isn't anywhere nearly as federated as Tangled is. What gives?

This is incredible. Thanks.

AT Protocol uses OAuth: https://atproto.com/specs/oauth

I've written about this: https://anirudh.fi/future

The cool thing is you can just host your own knot then. Host repos of whatever size you want.

Except there isn't already ForgeFed.

> Why does it need VCs? Why not company and corporate sponsorship like Ladybird?

You talk about corporate sponsorship like that's trivial to find. Trust me when I say we spent over half a year chasing down grants/sponsorships only to be met with closed doors, extremely long wait times for pennies. We'd also be required to keep our day jobs—which means less focus on Tangled dev, and ultimately very slow progress overall.

We debated VC heavily (we're both idealists after all), but figured we can make it work—it's ultimately the founders that make bad calls leading to enshittification. There's plenty of examples of VC-backed companies that haven't enshittified. Tailscale is an excellent one, and hence we brought on Avery as an angel in our round.

Pick whichever. We <3 the Radicle team and they're admittedly solving a much harder problem (gossiping git!) and rather elegantly at that.

Tangled is built entirely in the open: https://tangled.org/tangled.org/core, and our primary goal is to be "permanent software"—i.e. be fully reproducible and entirely self-hostable at minimal cost.

VC money is a means to an end. We're both Indian founders in Europe, and grants are nigh on impossible to find (4–12+ months for anything to materialize). VC is quite simply the quickest way for us to build a team, setup infra and accelerate development. We're also incredibly aligned with our investors on our goals (we took 6+ months to find the perfect partner for this).

There is! https://radicle.dev :)