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gort··on Goodbye to academic research
A nice parable, though bears would destroy lions in combat if they met. :)
gort··on Aerial footage of uncontacted Amazon tribe
> warfare was less painful for all involved

Does that book or other sources you have give a rough idea of how rare/common death by warfare/violence is in this type of society?

gort··on A Deepness In The Sky
"socialistic contrarian splendour"

They're really post-scarcity; they have no need for capitalism or socialism.

gort··on Why can't people in US watch Al Jazeera?
Apparently Wikipedia also carries that content. Down with Wikipedia!
gort··on Views from an Egyptian
This isn't really evidence one way or the other; its the sort of statement they could make in any event.
gort··on Bayesian stats book banned in China
I think it's not immediately obvious why they would.
gort··on Bayesian stats book banned in China
of course, the Bayesian theory is taught in schools; otherwise how could they send the spaceship to the outer space and have the fastest super computer in the world

Do these things require specifically Bayesian statistics?

gort··on Americans Are Horribly Misinformed About Who Has Money
I think the idea is that your neighbours are poorer than you thought they were.
gort··on Microbes use arsenic in their DNA: Proves phosphorus is not required for life
Remember though that the polyploidy in plants is a fundamentally different process from the way animals speciate. I don't want to mislead you on that point.
gort··on Microbes use arsenic in their DNA: Proves phosphorus is not required for life
"How are scientists so convinced that mutation and natural selection is all that is required"

They believe no such thing. Selection isn't required for allopatric speciation. Two isolated populations will naturally start to diverge just due to drift (random genetic changes over time). Given enough time they will inevitably become sexually incompatible.

"As far as I know, no new species have ever been produced, despite natural or unnatural selection."

Then let me direct you to: http://tinyurl.com/ridley2004speciation

"We begin with two distinct, but related species. The pollen of one is painted on the stigma of the other. If a hybrid offspring is generated, it is usually sterile ... However ... the chemical colchicine can often restore hybrid fertility. It does so by causing the hybrid to double its number of chromosomes ... Hybrids so produced may be interfertile with other hybrids like themselves, but not with the parental species. They are then a new reproductive species."

"Most garden varieties of irises, tulips, and dahlias, for example, are artificially created species. But their numbers are dwarfed by the huge numbers of artificial hybrid species of orchids, which it has been estimated are being formed at the rate of about 300 per month."

"Polyploid hybridization is also important in natural plant evolution."

Now, that type of speciation is a special case. It is not how animals speciate. But you are quite wrong in your quoted statement above.

"how come we take it for granted that humans, homo erectus, neanderthals etc. were all divergent species that had a common ancestor something like 50,000 years ago? Am I way off?"

Yes, you are, by an order of magnitude. Homo neanderthalensis is supposed to have diverged 500,000 - 800,000 years ago. http://dx.doi.org/10.1126/science.316.5827.967a ("The new findings also push back the date that Neandertals split from the human branch of the primate tree by 200,000 years—to 800,000 years ago")

"maybe the white->dark->white butterflies was a bad one"

Don't believe everything you read in AnswersInGenesis. This is still a good example. Or at least, so I believe on the basis of http://bostonreview.net/BR35.2/block_kitcher.php - "These are interesting alternatives to the familiar story, and the causal hypotheses they introduce can be tested in obvious ways: by examining the rates of larvae survival or by investigating nocturnal motions of moths. And this is what biologists have done."

But I don't have time to dig into the primary literature.

"scientists have been interbreeding literally thousands of generations of fruit flies and despite all selection pressures, artificial or not, were never able to produce a single new species"

Do you have examples where this has been the actual goal? I know Dodd (1989, http://eebweb.arizona.edu/courses/ecol525/readings/dodd_1989... ) tried this, but I don't think the experiment ran that long.

You will appreciate that it is much more effort for me to correct your poorly-informed naysaying than it is for you to naysay.

gort··on Microbes use arsenic in their DNA: Proves phosphorus is not required for life
If you have access (i.e. from university or whatnot) the actual paper is now online at:

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2010/12/01/science.1...

gort··on NASA 'alien life' announcement leaked
Phosphorous is used by all previously known life in a number of ways, including as part of the DNA backbone. If there's something that uses something else, it's a big deal.
gort··on NASA 'alien life' announcement leaked
Nature News: http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101202/full/news.2010.645.ht...

[Edit] They are calling it a member of the Halomonadaceae, which means it is descended from the common ancestor of that group, and so does not represent a second, independant origin of life.

gort··on Alien life form ‘is here on Earth’
I mis-spoke; it wasn't my intention to call viruses alive. My intention was actually the opposite: I was trying to anticipate a possible objection to what I said about all known life having the same genome type (double stranded DNA). That's true as long as one discounts viruses as a sort of life.

Really though, whether one wants to call viruses alive or not is a philosophical point, detached from any real significance.

gort··on Alien life form ‘is here on Earth’
I think he was predicting/speculating that any complex life anywhere will have arisen through Darwinian selection; that there's no other process that leads from simple replicators to complex life.

Video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vueDC69jRjE

Jump to 1:20.

gort··on Alien life form ‘is here on Earth’
It should be pointed out that there's a fairly vast range of metabolisms already known for bacteria. The test of whether life developed twice will be how whatever-it-is stores its genome (DNA?) and how it goes about making useful molecules (proteins, etc). All currently known life does this in roughly the same way. *

* (discounting viruses, which are oddities that probably arose from cellular life)

gort··on Dilbert on intentionally confusing pricing
What on earth is going on in that URL?
gort··on 200 students cheat on senior midterm exam, many blame professor
a fallacy, as it turned out

A falsehood. A fallacy is an argument where the conclusion does not follow from the assumptions.

gort··on Scientists say dolphins should be treated as 'non-human persons'
"we need a more nuanced scale of what is morally acceptable or not that includes various forms of intelligence (without the same logic being used to treat disabled people poorly)"

Explain the discrepancy.

gort··on Did somebody just try to buy the British government?
Are you sure? In Britain billion always means 10^9 these days; it may have been different decades ago.
gort··on Aircraft bomb finds may spell end for in-flight Wi-Fi
Tango

(US) NATO phonetic alphabet for the letter "T" and for "Target" (or enemy). Example: "We have two Tango's at 3 o'clock - I'll take the right one."

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Military_slang

gort··on Disneyland with the Death Penalty
"If I may ask, you mean you will like the government to "force" or "regulate" the airline to take over the recruitment so that there is one male and one female in every cabin and at every age group?"

That's not what non-discrimination means at all. What the demographic mix of the employees ends up looking like ought to bear a strong resemblance to the mix of applicants; nothing more.

gort··on Throwing cats out of windows
A lot of people don't seem to grasp the concept of assuming certain things for the sake of exploring a problem.
gort··on Rollover image on your website? That will be $80,000 (please)
He means he wishes he believed in Hell, so he could believe patent trolls went there.
gort··on The Gentle Art of Poverty
In fact, much of the URL is meaningless:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/print/1666/09/great-fire...

gort··on The Quantum Mystics
the relationship between the various components ... does not fit with the reductionist viewpoint.

On the contrary, that's exactly how reductionism tries to understand things.

gort··on The Quantum Mystics
He says it like it's a bad thing.

Militancy: the view that it's OK to tell people that they are wrong.

Materialism: the expectation that things are made up of stuff that can be investigated by empirical experiment; which is to say, physics.

Reductionism: the expectation that what things do is explained by what the things they're made of are doing [plus whatever outside influences exist, of course].

Atheism: the view that gods need explaining as much as anything else.

gort··on The Quantum Mystics
The author lost me at "The evolution and growth of modern science has been accompanied by the adoption of a militant, materialistic, reductionist, and atheistic creed by many leading scientists and popularizers of science".
gort··on This is a news website article about a scientific paper
Is this actually about something? The "journal link" goes to creationist site Answers in Genesis and its "journal", however I cannot find anything relevant there...
gort··on Intellectual hipsters and meta-contrarians
The author isn't suggesting that something being meta-contrarian actually makes it wrong...
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