NASA 'alien life' announcement leaked
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http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1962894 - go.com
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1962893 - nytimes.com
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1962846 - nature.com
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1962696 - longislandpress.com
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1962386 - gizmodo.com
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1962200 - gizmodo.com
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1962110 - google.com
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1957823 - skymania.com
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1953228 - kottke.org
[Edit] They are calling it a member of the Halomonadaceae, which means it is descended from the common ancestor of that group, and so does not represent a second, independant origin of life.
For instance, Titan has a thick atmosphere and lakes of liquid ethane/methane. If Arsenic-based life exists, could there be Methane-based life in those depths?
If a bacteria could evolve to tolerate arsenic, it could then use arsenic as a substitute for phosphorus. That appears to be the case with the Mono Lake species.
Yes, it opens up the possible chemical signatures for life to be found elsewhere, but I would hardly call it "alien life".
The bigger question, in my mind, is can you evolve a sentient species (in a few million years) from this microbe? And what would happen if we threw this microbe on Mars or Venus? Would natural selection allow it to thrive there?
[I'm saving my insightful commentary on extraterrestrial life for the Hacker News post after the press conference...]
edit: It sounded like a separate evolutionary path initially before the actual announcement--that is what I was saying "if this is true" about.
The chances of two active technological species overlapping in time is pretty low. I'd expect to find a lot of ruins and artifacts out there.
There are some pretty big assumptions about how long a technological species lasts in that statement.
E.g. Are those proto-stars in a nebula? Or is that some transcendent intelligence's weekend project or substrate or waste matter?
By analogy, if you could drop a modern human explorer on Earth at a uniformly selected random time in its history up 'till now, at a random spot it would almost always be uninhabitable.
http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2009/10/how-habi...
Time is really, really long, and we're biased not to recognize that, especially when it opposes our "space is big" arguments.
Does not bode well for us.
I wouldn't expect to get found in the woods a millisecond after I lit the signal fire, and thats where we are today in universe terms.
Imagine trying to show an iPad videochatting someone else to Da Vinci. It would be black magic with so many layers of technology that he couldn't comprehend - and he was a smart guy. So in a few hundred years we've blown everything we thought we knew away. Who knows what physics and technology we will have in a few thousand years?
1. The Universe is assumed to be 13.7 billion years old.
2. Nothing can move faster than c, so light years are an effective measure of the maximum distance anything can travel since its inception.
3. Our Sun is about 4.6 billion years old.
4. The universe is 13.7 billion light-years across.
Now, from these, I'm going to make a few propositions, given the lack of obvious extraterrestrial intelligence:
1. Stars stable enough to create life didn't appear until fairly late in the game, around the 9 billion year mark.
2. 5 billion years is a better-than-average time for a star system to stabilize and evolve life.
3. Stars stable enough to create life are still fairly sparse, as life in this universe is still fairly young.
4. Assuming 7 billion years as a bare minimum for the starting point for this process, and assuming the Earth is fairly quick, a reasonable upper bound for the distance that a civilization must be from us to have contacted us is 2 billion light-years.
Of course, there are a lot of variables here, and it's highly probable that maximum reasonable speed for a life-form to travel is as low as .1c, which means that even a civilization that sprung into existence at 6 billion years (assuming a star system stabilized very early in the game and then also evolved life in the better-than-average time of 5 billion years) would only be able to travel 1 billion light years, cutting off a fair amount of the universe from contact.
While the numbers involved in the time since the big bang are large, the distances a hypothetical civilization would have to travel are probably larger, especially given that evolving life, in our solar system's case, took well over a third of the time since the big bang, and that's not counting the circumstances that brought about the formation of our solar system, which took the remaining 2/3rds.
So given that, if life were on another project, well, we'd expect them to be trucking around the galaxy too by now. And they're not.
That leads to the reasonable conclusion that there are not aliens at the same level as us in this galaxy.
Note: For aliens to be at the same level as us and not trucking around, they would need to be hopelessly close to use in evolution. Given how much has happened in just the last 10K years, that seems extremely improbable.
Hmm, this was supposed to be a reply to another comment...
http://skymania.com/wp/2010/11/alien-life-form-is-here-on-ea...
(Previous discussion: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1957823 )
It's great that they leaked it, though. My 9th graders' science class is going to tune in live, thanks to the leak. Good opportunity to make science seem timely and relevant to kids.