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I am older and seen a lot of tech come and go. RISC-V feels to me like something that will be huge.

There is so much momentum already. Not many things catch on that quick. But when they do they end up huge.

Big difference is Android on ChromeOS is using the Linux kernel that is part of ChromeOS. Here Android will be on top of Zircon. Which is the fuchsia kernel.

Now gnu/linux on ChromeOS is using a completely different Linux kernel.

It was important Google did it this way so gnu/Linux would still work when they update ChromeOS to Fuchsia. Google already has Gnu/linux running on fuchsia with something called Machina.

It is based on Skia which is also part of Chromium.

Watched and really enjoyed.

One things that is not talked about a lot is parallelism in terms of kernel and I/O.

There is the aspects of an application but what about system code?

If read the FlexSC paper and using multiple cores you can see some pretty incredible improvements are possible.

https://www.usenix.org/legacy/event/osdi10/tech/full_papers/...

We should also see some of this with Zircon as it gets further along and looks to leverage cores in a type of pipelining.

Will it slow down RISC-V?

Also where the momentum is at is using Linux. More are moving from proprietary solutions to using Linux. Suspect that will continue to happen.

Thanks! Have no idea why banned and was never given any explanation why. But it is what it is. Guess I could just make a new account.

I believe this is similar to what we will see with Zircon as a default.

Why I believe multi core performance with Zircon will exceed the same with Linux. The big question is single core?

You do not have the benefit. But I do think Google will do their own CPU optimized for Zircon. Do hope they use RISC-V for the ISA. They did with the PVC.

Great article. Glad to see Sanjay get the credit he deserves.

Big fan of both Go and also Rust. It is time we move beyond C and C++

Love the show and do think pretty realistic in an exaggerated way.

Just makes sense. They will move to Fuchsia and is starting the process of moving away from the "Android" brand.

We have seen it already with Wear OS and other places.

Interesting stuff. I thought one of the most interesting papers at NIPS this year was using GPU or TPU for intelligent indexes.

https://arxiv.org/abs/1712.01208

Paper is from Jeff Dean and a worth while read, IMO.

Really can't do a directly comparison but we can look at cost doing a similar task.

DAWNBench does benchmarks.

"At the time DAWNBench contest closed on April 2018, the lowest training cost by non-TPU processors was $72.40 (for training ResNet-50 at 93% accuracy with ImageNet using spot instance). With Cloud TPU v2 pre-emptible pricing, you can finish the same training at $12.87. It's less than 1/5th of non-TPU cost. "

Here is a link to DAWNBench.

https://dawn.cs.stanford.edu/benchmark/

Here is the pace.

2012 miles per day 240

2014 miles per day 636

2017 miles per day 4,630

Feb 2018 miles per day 10,753

June 2018 miles per day 16,494

July 2018 miles per day 25,000

Been following along with the development of Zircon.

https://github.com/fuchsia-mirror/zircon

What is cool is Google does this in the open and you can follow along. See which things have place holders and where the focus moves from day/week/month to day/week/month.

Also developers on iirc and Travis super nice guy.

I am old an worked with internals for decades and this is the most excited I have been about a kernel in a very long time.

Looks to me the layers of Fuchsia are going to also be ala cart.

So Flutter on multiple platforms. Zircon able to be used for a variety of purposes and then in addition the kernel for Fuchsia.

Perfect feature for me. I prefer to not talk to people.

Why Amnesty International is upset with Apple and the human rights abused with giving the data to the government.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/02/5-things-you-... When Profits Threaten Privacy – 5 Things You Need to Know about ...

But also removing the VPN software.

https://www.ft.com/content/ad42e536-cf36-11e7-b781-794ce08b2... Apple drops hundreds of VPN apps at Beijing's request

What we know is Apple gave the iCloud data to the China government and removed the VPN software. Versus China government tried to hack Gmail accounts and Google left China and walked from making billions.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/02/5-things-you-... When Profits Threaten Privacy – 5 Things You Need to Know about ...

https://www.ft.com/content/ad42e536-cf36-11e7-b781-794ce08b2... Apple drops hundreds of VPN apps at Beijing's request

https://www.androidauthority.com/using-google-fi-in-china-85... Using Project Fi in China: Say goodbye to VPNs - Android Authority

Their search share continues to increase and now over 92%. Does that represent them being more trusted?

http://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share Search Engine Market Share Worldwide ...

Hope the Pixel 2 gets the call screening and the dim light photo abilities.

Agree. When did Murdoch start with his vendetta towards Google?

Not true. You have Android apps and GNU/Linux on device.

Though most impressive was the dim light photo on the Pixel 3 compared to the latest from Apple.

What did Google do to piss off Murdoch? Fox News spends most nights railing on Google also.

Wow the Wall St. Journal and Murdoch really does not like Google.

This article makes this sound like this is something that it appears to not be.

Did this all start when Google fired Damore? Or does it date further back?

YouTube has over a billion hours consumed a day. That is not search. Actually it is now the #2 most popular web site.

So they have both the #1 and #2 most popular sites now.

Heck they are rolling out the first robot taxi service in Arizona later this year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_websites

Yes but not following how that relates to "poorly managed"?

I mean they are in all of history the fastest to a $100B market cap and since started in 1998 it was right at the .com bust. Then the fastest to $200B.

Does that not take good management?

Poorly managed? They have now grown over 20% the last ten quarters and now over 26% the last two. Since the beginning never declined for a quarter YoY. Even though the great recession.

That is pretty hard to do.