I feel like a lot of commenters on here must first be hearing of this or have not even looked into the tic-tac case even a small amount.
You have a top gun pilot and his WSO on record saying they saw it visually along with a huge underwater craft. It moved in ways that nothing using conventional propulsion can. Hovering for example is extremely difficult, made all the harder with no wings, blades or visible exhaust.
Long form interview:
Part1: https://youtu.be/3L-XG1F_S7I
Part2: https://youtu.be/f7XJD_54aNk
There are about 20+ interviews with him on cnn, Fox News, Boston herald, ny times, etc and he will be on joe Rogan soon.
I get the objections to the FLIR video or radar pings, but if you think it’s a new jet or misdirection you have to say he and his WSO and many others are liars or confused by our own tech. Our own tech means we have something well beyond standard jet engines and fighter jet tech.
There are plenty more videos with even more details like the tic tacs (there were many of them on radar) moving 20000+ mph, dropping in from 80000ft to close to the deck. The details of the carrier fleet redirecting the jets to the position of the tic-tac is very interesting as it wasn’t at their training position...until it showed up their later. The FLIR video is from another pilot who went after it, after captain fravor landed.