Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

Well, shut my mouth.

If there is even slight doubt about credibility of a claim of extraterrestrial technology, then there is no extraordinary evidence.

Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Don't waste people time.

I think the press articles we see about this are part of a broader information war campaign trying to plant red herrings to confuse other nation state actors.

That makes it look like you're trying to mislead/lie/coverup.

It's a good strategy to advertise new capabilities to adversaries and/or let them know you know about theirs or just to make them think rare atmospheric/sensor phenomena are scary new tech.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27185/f-35s-most-sinis...

US is so not used to that!

https://www.raytheon.com/news/feature/uap_atflir

This is an old tactic. It makes it hard for enemies to gather good data. It also makes it hard to know who and what to trust. You have pilots saying ridiculous things so can you trust every pilot? Makes vetting MUCH MUCH harder. All the major powers do this. But it is kinda like a placebo effect, even knowing about it doesn't make it less effective.

So I don't think it is so much to discredit news agencies but to make it harder for enemies to vet eye witness stories on experimental technologies.

The other telling moment was when he asked why UFOs only appear in places “so small people have to take turns being the village idiot” and someone leapt up to day, “You can’t prove it’s not true!”

Conveniently "impossible" of course for some reason, guessing they were "going too fast" to be intercepted.

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I’d make a correction though. It was not as fast as a super fast bird but more akin to a lightning fast game of laser tag or air hokey. The weirdest thing is that for some reason it immediately impressed on me that this was technology.

If you don't know what they were then you can't rule out these other things.

It was late at night and we were in the back of a pickup getting some shuteye, heading east on the 8 outside of San Diego - if I had to make a guess we were somewhere between SD and El Centro; I can't narrow it down more.

So we're going down the freeway, and above the mountains to the south we see this bright "dot" - yellowish. It sits there, hovering above the mountains. Then it moves slowly to the west, staying above the mountain line - and instantly stops. Stays still for a bit, then at a steep angle (or what appeared to be) it instantly accelerated (like in the blink of the eye) "up" and was gone.

My best guess after the fact? Somebody aiming or messing around with an artificial star (sodium laser):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_guide_star

At least - that's what I tell myself, because I have no other rational idea as to what could move like that...

Still gives me chills remembering watching it.

Nobody who wasn't off their face on drugs or mentally ill probably, no.

"they were not weather balloons, satellites, planes, planets, stars, or meteors."

Other than little aliens in magic flying machines what do you think they could have been?

We were driving through very rural Illinois at about 10 pm. I was just staring out of the window up at the sky.

Suddenly, I noticed a rather bright orb (not perfectly circular or anything, I just don't know how else to describe it) hovering in the air. I would guess maybe a quarter mile laterally, and only a couple hundred of feet up. I didn't think much of it at first; I thought it was a plane to be honest. But then it faded out -- more like shimmered out. When it shimmered back in, there were now several of them, 3 or so. They moved in very quick, defined spurts -- thirty feet left then stop, ten feet up then stop. Then these faded out, and faded back in again, but now there were 6-8 of them. More weirdly precise movements, moving separately but staying close as a group. Then they all went absolutely tearing off, directly up, in unison. Lost sight of them almost immediately.

I can't emphasize enough how close they seemed. These weren't far-off objects I had to squint to see. For those who have driven through rural farmland in USA, think about your typical interstate with a planted field off to your left. A big planted field, but still only field sized, with a line of trees marking the property boundary on the far edge. That's what these were by, and they were well within the boundaries of the field.

I was in the car with my parents, both of whom saw them. (I was getting ready to enter college, so I was probably 18.) They seemed very freaked out and refused to discuss it; I was just captivated and curious. To this day they won't discuss it and sometimes even pretend they don't know what I"m talking about.

Again, I'm not at all saying they were ETs, I firmly believe the properties of the Universe make it an infinitesimally small chance that a crossing-of-the-paths will ever occur for two intelligences, if multiple inhabited planets even exist. But I just don't know what these were. They were very close, very bright, very concrete (if that makes sense at all), and their movements were unlike anything I'd ever seen before. Very unnatural-seeming motions.

I've never seen anything like it since, either. It's not like I've suddenly started seeing lights everywhere I look.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning perhaps?

We know how to build two kinds of rockets: high thrust rockets with low specific impulse (Merlin, Raptor, SSME, F-1, etc.) and low thrust rockets with high specific impulse (ion thrusters). Excluding crazy stuff like thermonuclear pulse propulsion, we do not know how to build a rocket that is both high specific impulse and high thrust.

There is no physical reason to believe that such a thing is impossible though. We just don't (at least in the declassified world?) know how to build one.

A rocket that's both high thrust and high specific impulse would have a thrust whose particles are traveling at probably near relativistic speeds. Think of it as using a high efficiency high throughput particle accelerator as a rocket.

The performance of such a thing would be simply awesome, especially in terms of "delta-V budget" as per the rocket equation. In physics terms it's a plain old reaction engine but to someone ignorant of the tech it would look almost like anti-gravity or some other kind of magic.

Now here's where it gets kind of neat. What would such a thing look like visually if it were operating in the atmosphere?

Those crazy high energy exhaust particles would immediately collide with the atmosphere and emit light. The light would be a mix of the emission spectra of whatever the exhaust is made of and atmospheric gases. If the exhaust contained heavier stuff like metal ions the colors could be vivid and bright. Brightness and possibly color could change based on thrust and thrust vectoring.

It would look like a flying orb or a neon light show.

It would also be dangerous if you were anywhere close to it since it would kick off quite a lot of heat and probably X-rays or worse. If it were truly near-relativistic it would probably ignite small amounts of nuclear fusion in the atmosphere and emit neutrons and gamma rays too. I imagine that might give it a little more power too, like an afterburner from hell. I imagine there would be RF emissions as well.

The craft itself would be hot as hell too since the power requirements would be at least in the hundreds of megawatts. Even if the power source and thrusters had really high efficiency, the second law of thermodynamics would require the craft to dump at least tens of megawatts of heat overboard somehow. It would light up brightly in the infrared and be really obvious to FLIR.

Small craft using a thruster like that might look like flying orbs or multicolored light shows. A much larger more powerful one could probably attain velocities that would allow interstellar travel in "reasonable" time frames... for something with a really long life span or non-biological that is.

Again just speculation, but AFAIK does not violate any known physics and would match quite a lot of UFO reports.

I don't know anything about the particular system in use there, but the military has communications that can send voice from anywhere in the world without ground infrastructure in the presence of jamming, it also has systems that avoid emissions that could be used to target weapons .... coverage area, jamming resistance, covertness are all important qualities which can be traded off against audio quality.

Good training can make audio which is barely recognizable perfectly intelligible. I thought that audio sounded pretty decent, in fact.

But again Lazar has been a crank for decades (I think the first reference to an alien at Area 51 named Elvis is from him, later popularized in Perfect Dark), so even that theory is a bit out there.

https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strang...

> A last item for your consideration to assess Lazar’s veracity is his academic background. He claims Masters degrees from BOTH Caltech and MIT in subjects they don’t offer and during time periods he couldn’t have physically been at either campus. In response to questions at the “Ultimate UFO Seminar” in Rachael, NV in May of 1993, Lazar was so kind as to offer up the names of two of his instructors at Caltech and MIT, a “Dr. Duxler” as well as “Hohsfield”. He even spelled them. Stan Friedman told me he went searching for Duxler and no such person ever taught at Caltech or MIT. However he did find a William Duxler who taught Math and Physics at the previously mentioned Pierce College and confirmed to Friedman that Lazar had taken at least one of his courses in the 1970s.

> As for finding Hohsfield, Friedman rolled snake eyes, beyond confirming no one by that name ever taught at Caltech or MIT. However did you know that in this amazing 21st Century you can buy reprints of all sorts of old high school yearbooks? Like, for example, the 1976 yearbook for W. Tresper Clarke High School? And if one were to do so, one would find that there was a Technical and Vocational teacher there by the name of Frederick Hohsfield. Looks like he was teaching electronics. Interesting, no?

Falsely claiming academic degrees is all by itself extremely damaging to his credibility. According to Wikipedia:

> Lazar claims that his academic records were erased in an effort by authorities to discredit him

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar#Education_and_qualif...

Even if his academic records were erased, it should be easy to identify professors who had him in their class, or classmates who attended with him. If Lazar was willing to prove his claims, he could provide the name of a classmate or professor who did verifiably attend either institution, and who is willing to name Lazar as a student. Applying Occam's Razor to the situation is not favorable to Lazar.

Well... natural phenomena are the only phenomena for which evidence exists at all.

That's why the Bible says faith is the evidence of things unseen, as opposed to data.

The principles of science do not allow us to rule out the possibility that these events are the result of alien life or supernatural phenomena. But it does give us plenty of evidence that there are more mundane, more plausible explanations.

And when you're faced with a potentially world-changing revelation, like confirmed contact with extraterrestrial life, it is basic due diligence to speculate on and rule out those mundane explanations first.

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. But you have to eliminate first. That is how you arrive at new knowledge, and that is how paradigms are shifted.

Could it be supernatural beings trolling humanity? Sure. But such an extraordinary claim requires correspondingly extraordinary evidence. That it was a secret, terrestrial weapons system designed to confound FLIR also requires evidence, but it's a much more likely explanation, and can generally be accepted as probable with correspondingly less evidence.

Seriously though, the pilots reported visual sighting as well. Projecting a hologram is one thing, projecting one while flying at 800km/hr is another.

>[the Navy] designates the objects contained in these videos as unidentified aerial phenomena.

That is to say, the videos are "real" in that the source is genuine (captured by the U.S. Navy and not a doctored hoax), but the Navy is not making any other statement on what appears in the video.

I see nothing stupid with using quantum mechanics and nuclear science in this context.

> Can we call out politicians for just throwing in words that they don't know what they mean?

I'm sure they know what those words mean on a surface level. They don't really need to understand them beyond that point, it's not their job.

And often later we find explanations that fit within the confines of things we understand just fine.

Intelligent life that is too far away to ever encounter us.