Even trying to talk about this problem leads to censorship on this site.
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Even trying to talk about this problem leads to censorship on this site.
And no, I didn't misdirect my comment; you said my comment came across one way, and I replied to that. You are, again, not an objective arbiter of intent, and again, please stop trying to be.
And I did want to come across as sarcastic and condescending because it's frankly insulting to others when you claim such outrageous and wrong nonsense on the internet. You deserve sarcasm and negativity if you bring idiocy to a reasonable conversation.
Honestly, the fact that you assumed others were talking about "have a guide or 100% failure" is disingenuous on your part.
You can't hide behind, "but no one expected that" and expect to live a happy, unsurprising life. There is no law you can pass that will fix this, no matter how much you complain.
That's why this idea is popular, and your comment is controversial. You're taking away a crutch that many of our peers cling desperately to as a way to justify their shortcuts and poor decision making.
Y'all aren't disagreeing.
Why do companies pay the DMV for this information if they can just FOIA it from them for free?
Your hands aren't clean here, if you actually cared about avoiding Facebook at all costs, you wouldn't be here. The fact is, you don't (nor should you).
I'm saying give people choice, let them figure out what they care about. Making the choice for them is bad business and bad ethics. You don't know better than your users.
Given a person who wants to jump out of a plane, should it be okay to let them, even though it's a relatively high-risk activity? If the jumper doesn't care, is it ok then?
Given a person who wants to run for national public office, should it be okay for them to release their prior year tax returns, even though it's an exposure of their privacy? If the candidate doesn't care, is it ok then?
Turns out, this isn't an easy game to play, so stop trying to decide for others what they want for themselves. You don't know their situation.
Signing in via Facebook is also a deliberate choice.
You can give up your "human rights" for convenience/pleasure as long as you can reassert them down the line.
The problem is practical; do your users want the features or do they care about privacy? Let them make the choice, and don't hide it from them. That's the ethical behavior.
It's unethical to assume everyone values everything the same, including privacy. Some people don't care about it as much as you do, nor should they.
Let's play a game; how many degrees separated from Facebook is HN and YC? You go first, take a guess!
It all depends on what users will tolerate in the name of convenience.
The current model on certain platforms of user-based moderation is so obviously a series of badly-constructed band-aids on top of other, even worse band-aids. I got to /r/soccer first so I must know how to keep it clean from rage porn?! Insane. Pushing that cost (mental and time) onto users is reckless and dangerous to your company.
It's about time someone stepped into this. I'm rooting for y'all.
Like, maybe this guy will convince a bunch of "fools" to invest, and in his path to failure, he'll find some more efficient way to... something.
Or are you saying, even if everything was efficient, there are things you can't fix, like how far away valuable stuff is, that makes it all pretty pointless?
It doesn't matter where an idea like "slut shaming" comes from, what matters is the negative feeling associated with being "slut shamed" resonates with a lot of people.
To take the analogy seriously (not advisable), it's like saying, "money isn't valuable if it's laundered". Absurd and wrong; sure, laundered money is bad, but it's the laundering, not the money, that's the problem. If we stopped the laundering, the "money" is still worth what it's worth, but does the author suggest the people who put names to the feelings many people are experiencing should stop? No. The author suggests the ideas are "nonsensical" and doesn't elaborate.
It's just strange to me that the left has come to own the defense of minorities, but it's a narrative that both sides have totally bought into, and zealously attack/defend.
Why is it "liberal" to care about someone's feelings?!