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You are not forced to use DSBC. You are not even forced to use Chrome.
Lots of people - lose accounts by installing malware. They don't care about giving info to Google. at the end, many already store passport data in Google Photos or drive.
You can still buy coreboot/libreboot based laptops.
> generate a key that’s stored in this fortress.
It refers to the private key that is resident inside SecureEnclave. (During manufacturing)
See further. Dont just read one or two lines.
“The attacker can’t steal the private key from the device because the TPM / Secure Enclave will not release it. That is the core protection here,” Scott Helme, a researcher and founder of Report URI who blogged about the new protections on Tuesday, told Ars. “The attacker can steal the cookie, but they can’t answer a DBSC challenge by signing it with the private key, which is still safe on your device.”
Read https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/security/sec59b0b31ff/...
Please. Hatred for tech is stupid.
Read the specs before commenting. Even any free AI would have told you better.
Chrome is not writing into TPM or secure enclave.
The main point is the average Joe it works seamless. And average Joe won't have to remember things.
Yes, it does. Not everyone wants to maintain password database.
People break their phones less often compared to telling them keep their keepassdatabase in sync across devices.
Even recently my friend fixed his iPhone XR (10 year old) 3rd party. Everything including passkeys work fine.
That is the reason: for the average Joe not having exportable passkeys is good.
Average Joe doesn't have to do backup. It is all automatic.
Use this then totally offline
UX usability is far better. With password and 2FA you have at least 2 steps. Here
Open the app: device like phone or laptop just asks your fingerprint or facial and done.
That is a great benefit for average Joe. Some one trying to scam remotely cannot access the account. The 89 year old grandma will say - I just give fingerprint. Done.
Yes, it won't cover all situations. Like if there is sim swap or bank employee does fraud.
We are talking about the rest the people that want convenience.
In a way that is the reason passkeys synced with Google or Apple just work. No need of hardware keys.
Let's say eBay asks user to login. With passkey. Press and hold fingerprint etc. login done. Even with laptop.
And average Joe doesn't want to maintain a keepassdatabse sync it. Yes, you can always use your own server etc but others have life.
- Pretty sure a large number of politicians are using claude, chatGPT etc.
- Majority of researchers in EU are dependent of all of US SV companies. There are nothing equivalent. EVen if there is mistral or other open source llms - every damn Uni/company is uploading everything to claude or open AI or gemini.
- Majority see these but just move on
- 99% of EU politicians either dont care or show apathy or worse live in a moat
- Ideally EU could have forced iphone, Google to openup. They did not.
- Same with taxation. Ireland fights EU to give tax breaks
- Its f*king broken system
- tolerance is too high
- Every sysadmin is quietly annoyed but knows it gives then $$$.
- Companies are never going to change anytime.
ublock origin lite is OK for these folks that need laptop only for the rare situation to fillup some PDF, airline tickets or printout.
For love or hate, people already have Google account. One password to remember. And google syncs everything incl. password, even payments. So no more brain fatigue.
I can't find it in the downloads.
You wrote this remember
technical people are the ones that have built AI farms, stuffing AI on normies throat.
> files is cloud-based
was long gone. Seems you are assuming like Mac iCloud or iOS. There is plenty of local storage if you want to do that.
> Macs (because their hardware is great on laptops).
In other news, many other people don't have money but spend on overpriced macs (excl. neo) - so they buy cheap and cheerful - just works Chromebooks - for basic stuff. Normies also not need 3 x 8K monitors.
> And a laptop is something very personal to me. I don't want to be depressed every time i
Normal people wont use AI features. How many windows users are using copilot etc? many have accustomed to ignore - popup from AV or jumping triggers and just do to their basic stuff in computers.
It is just here in hn - everyday some blogpost - I used AI to completely automate this or that. this model is 1.27 times better that yesterdays model.
You answered it yourself (last paragraph). The main point is everything is in FOSS but not packaged like chromeos.
I strongly want bluefin/silverblue/bazzite etc to succeed but even installation is PITA. UI is not really that polished. Whether or not great one like proper integration (a.k.a like Apple) like passkey in Google Chrome/Android etc.
- Installer of bluefin etc takes super long - issue with btrfs - no idea. Dev says upstream issue - not us. - flatpak is still pain for normies - we wanted to deploy it to a large compter pool - ecosystem is controlled by Google. So fewer failures with hardware.
- And polish (like you say). Why can't <distro> make it so that uefi etc is hidden?
- Normies expect sleep to work. This is still not perfect with distro (not their fault).
Many including me - want OS to be like an appliance. Just works.
And majority of the world like it.
If you want to share room with RMS and hope for GNU Hurd - do it.
Some people like ikea - try to build. Others want just works items. Why not...
Maybe you are focusing on small statistic of older people from white-collar jobs. Most people in > 70s were primarily in jobs that never needed IT. Yes, they have seen computers , faxes, scanners but not sit in front of computers 9-5. Remember HN needs to remember plumbers, bricklayers, nurses, etc
Not everyone is from Gates type families
I don't think so. A majority don't want to. But they are forced by geeks/nerds. Geeks/nerds often show off especially in family/friends parties with older/common folk - telling - I can do this/that. Then average CEO or parent is forced to get a smartphone.
Next the geek/nerd - has no time to maintain the computer/laptop of the parent. Or loses patience explaining updates/double-click/avoid scammer installing software. Then - boom - geek son/daughter - if smart gets a decent pixel/iphone - otherwise gets a shitty Android device - installs everything there. Moves on.
And finally remember it is the young same geek/nerd that will eventually do programming for FAANG/palantir etc. which forces people to install apps, degrade privacy, worsen webapp/websites - all for money.
Humans often don't help. They often suggest - everyone goes through pain. It is part of life blah blah.
This is different. You are also able to detect it. You can question it. You can have a non emotional reaction/action to it.
In my circle, there have never ever been real people (incl lifelong friends/siblings) that suggest divorce even in physical abuse. Reason: they don't want to get in the middle - both for economic reasons like giving the victim money/space etc.
A third party anonymous can assess it without that.
Non tech people don't care about control panel etc. they just go through the pain of entering the WiFi password. Done.
- gamers. Double click install - go on. I know very few gamers that have moved to Linux.
And corporate. Most normies that I know DON'T have own computers. Everything can be done via smartphone these days.