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codeflow2202··on Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest
Put limitations to what a private entity can do on national soil is completely in the hands of local governments. If you want to make money here, you follow our rules. Completely free capitalism brings the kind of aberrations that we can already see destroying the livelihood of millions of people in the USA
codeflow2202··on Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people
1) Wrong. It does help my original statement: "In this context, vaccines that do not provide sterilizing immunity (and therefore continue to permit transmission) will lead to the buildup of large standing populations of virus [47], greatly increasing the risk of immune escape." ... "Thus, our findings speak to the need for both public health and biomedical intervention strategies targeting SARS-CoV-2 to be designed to account for the risk of rapid evolutionary response to biomedical interventions."

2)Wrong again: "In the presence of mixed sera from multiple previously infected and/or vaccinated individuals these infections would create the appropriate conditions both for genetic recombination to occur, and for selection to rapidly sort multiple recombination-generated combinations of input immune evasion, cell entry and replication impacting mutations."

My original point is that people that made use of covid mrna therapy can be the source of new versions of the virus (because the therapy doesn't prevent infection nor spreading of the virus).

While it's true that the second study talks about mutations in both vaccinated and unvaccinated hosts, the first is clearly looking into the spike protein based therapy:

"The spike protein receptor-binding domain (RBD) of SARS-CoV-2 is the molecular target for many vaccines and antibody-based prophylactics aimed at bringing COVID-19 under control. Such a narrow molecular focus raises the specter of viral immune evasion as a potential failure mode for these biomedical interventions."

codeflow2202··on Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people
You are not opposing my point: 1. shit happened 2. rules have been put in place to avoid it from happening again 3. we are now skipping these rules in the name of urgency.

These are not vaccines but gene therapies that have never been tested. History proves risks do exist when new therapies are given to people.

I suppose when a normal vaccine like the novavax is coming out there won't be as much opposition.

codeflow2202··on Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people
I do know people from India. But these are the numbers like it or not. You seem to be cherry picking only the numbers that convalidate your vision.

I can't tell how much of it is undercounting in India, how much is overcounting in the USA, and how much of it is that the friends and family networks in India count hundreds of people as opposed to the westerner ones.

codeflow2202··on Delta Variant
here you go https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
codeflow2202··on Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people
Not trusting private companies that proved many times to be putting their shareholders interests before the public good by forging false research, generating opioid epidemics and bribing politicians and committees is the opposite of being selfish and stupid.

On the contrary being this naive...

codeflow2202··on Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people
No new information came out to prove the lab leak hypothesis. They just lied about it to cover the financing of their gain of function research.
codeflow2202··on Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people
And I'm happy you mention polio because it's a great example of what can happen when we allow companies to rush their product without enough safety standards:

In April 1955, soon after mass polio vaccination began in the US, the Surgeon General began to receive reports of patients who contracted paralytic polio about a week after being vaccinated with Salk polio vaccine from the Cutter pharmaceutical company, with the paralysis limited to the limb the vaccine was injected into. The Cutter vaccine had been used in vaccinating 200,000 children in the western and midwestern United States.[76] Later investigations showed that the Cutter vaccine had caused 40,000 cases of polio, killing 10.[76] In response the Surgeon General pulled all polio vaccines made by Cutter Laboratories from the market, but not before 250 cases of paralytic illness had occurred. Wyeth polio vaccine was also reported to have paralyzed and killed several children. It was soon discovered that some lots of Salk polio vaccine made by Cutter and Wyeth had not been properly inactivated, allowing live poliovirus into more than 100,000 doses of vaccine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine

codeflow2202··on Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people
1. Normal vaccines take 5 to 10 years to be approved. Covid mrna therapies have been rushed and they aren't even experimenting it correctly. The only data they are taking is what goes in the VAERS database, but if you even try to mention those numbers you get the usual answer that those numbers are meaningless. So tell me: if someone wants to know what the benefit/risk ratio of the therapy is, where should the numbers be found?

2. You cannot force people into taking experimental therapies even if you tricked half of the population into taking them.

codeflow2202··on Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people
You must be kidding me. This is proof that you pro covid mrna therapy are just mindless news consumers. Have you ever spent a second reading articles or watching the data about what you believe?

tot cases/1M pop -> usa 104525 india 22200 deaths/1M pop -> usa 1872 india 295

There is no single country in asia that did as bad as the USA in the deaths department. What's now your next extravagant excuse? That the usa has been overcounting its deaths to scare its people into covid mrna therpies?

codeflow2202··on Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people
Also:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33909660/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33688681/

codeflow2202··on Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people
The numbers are between 95% of Pfizer at his best and 50% of Sinovac. And we are not vaccinating to avoid a pandemic, we are doing it during the pandemic making the risk of it happening much higher.

But the final point I was trying to pass is that isolation of the sick will slowly push the virus to evolve in more contagious but less risky variants. Undetected infections in the vaccinated might cause strains that evade the vaccine and possibly be more dangerous (because of the lack of symptoms and isolation.)

codeflow2202··on Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people
The fact that it's about chickens is irrelevant. This is about how viruses evolve when confronted with an immune system.

But you are correct that the lower the transmission rate from vaccinated people, the lower the risk of enhanced viruses.

But your 95% is debatable. The number goes drastically down depending on which vaccine you use, the new strains, and probably time.

My point is that the myth that unvaccinated people are the part of the population creating enhanced variants is false. Before the vaccination propaganda started it was known to everyone that isolating the sick tends to forces the virus to evolve in less dangerous strains.

codeflow2202··on Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people
> What is this even saying? The virus is external to the body. The vaccines are external to the body as well. Study after study shows that the side-effects of the vaccine are lower than the issues caused by the disease.

Saying that the virus is dangerous doesn't make the vaccine safe in the long term. You might be right, but you have no basis to suppose it's safe in the long run. You are just betting it because tv told you so.

> It's been proven non-poisonous hundreds of millions of times already.

You are talking about possible future unknown effects. No it hasn't been proven at all. They aren't even looking for possible long term damage.

Anyway they downplay it in the leaflet but its there: "The COVID-19 vaccine has gone through the same clinical trials and safety checks as all other licensed vaccines, however the vaccine is new and long-term side effect information is limited."

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-up...

codeflow2202··on Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people
You are surprisingly optimistic. We have been a few months in the vaccination campaign and we are already in need of boosters to patch new strains. Even if the numbers you mention are true, you still have to deliver a product with extremely complex logistics in highly unreachable places (vaccinating westerners with our infrastructure is way easier than doing the same in Africa), hope that they will really deliver those numbers at that speed, and cross fingers that when this happens, the virus hasn't already mutated enough to make it obsolete. Consider also that many people in third world countries do not trust westerners so I would predict that the percentage of people that will avoid the jab might be much higher than what you have in the USA or EU.

Anyway I am sorry I didn't share an article about what I mentioned, I thought it was known enough to not need an article. (I might say the same about your numbers)

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article/info:doi/10.13...

codeflow2202··on Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people
Forcing a few million extra doses to a bunch of western skeptics won't compensate the fact that there are billions of people that will never have access to the vaccines. If it is true that only unvaccinated people generates new dangerous versions of the virus (which is completely false since leaky vaccines can cause enhanced versions of the virus), you will never be really protected, even if every western country makes it mandatory.
codeflow2202··on Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people
This is ridiculous. The body as anything in nature is always struggling to stay in balance. To maintain this balance it had millions of years of evolution to optimize strategies that counteract external and internals effects. But in general the chances are much higher for a neutral/bad result in case of an external intervention for which our body was never put in contact before (not even in past generations as in the case of lipid nano particles).

In general people hates to accept that not everyone reasons in the same way. Many societies aren't as trustworthy as you are to whatever decision is taken by their elites (being either for historical or cultural reasons). You need to accept that many would consider something in front of them poisonous until the contrary is proven (as opposed to more trustworthy people who sees everything safe until proven poisonous).

codeflow2202··on Sperm Parameters After Covid-19 Vaccine
When you sign to get your vaccine it's clearly stated that long term side effects are unknown (at least in Europe). We can only hope it's gonna be ok.
codeflow2202··on Millions Choose Simple Privacy Protection with DuckDuckGo
Same here! But when I use the !g I rarely find better results.
codeflow2202··on Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection
This is just partially true. The studies you mention are on late treatment (and often on very high dosages). The data points to good efficacy for early treatment though. It seems clear that the only use for HCQ is during the viral multiplication phase which is not what the large studies have been looking into (they never look into early treatment for some reason).
codeflow2202··on The mechanisms of action of Ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2
Because programmers/engineers are really bad at accepting they are wrong.
codeflow2202··on Ivermectin as a Covid-19 Therapy
Waste of time I'm afraid.
codeflow2202··on Ivermectin as a Covid-19 Therapy
What worries me the most is that both Lowe's and the WHO's judgement were highly influenced by the Lopez study, which has a striking list of protocol violations.

Anyone can check the comments in the article, or here https://osf.io/u7ewz/

Lowe mentions: "Objections have been raised to that trial’s use of an oral suspension formulation, I should note.". But by reading the linked article we can see that there is much more to note:

"In the statistical analysis subsection of the article, the authors acknowledged 2 RCT issues: i) they modified the primary end point to time from randomization to complete resolution of symptoms within the 21-day follow-up period and ii) a labeling error occurred between September 29 and October 15, 2020, resulting in an unblinded protocol during this time frame."

Seems weird that while everyone is pushing hard on the limitations of the studies that favor IVM, we get a pass for this study by making it so influential.

codeflow2202··on There are now about 20 randomized clinical trials (RCTs) of ivermectin for Covid
Here a more readable version: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1398717229366235141.html
codeflow2202··on The media's lab leak fiasco
To be fair the c19ivermectin site only states: Database of all ivermectin COVID-19 studies. If you want a meta-analysis that picks for you the quality studies from that list that's also avilable: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/
codeflow2202··on NY Times Best-Selling Author: “I Don’t Know of a Bigger Story in the World”
On the other hand it was a reporter who brought back into the main discussion the lab leak hypothesis.
codeflow2202··on The media's lab leak fiasco
This is exactly what is being put into discussion. This “very low certainty" doesn't stand against the amount of research that is being released on a daily basis. It's also weird that so many people can selectively blindly trust the WHO on this topic, while at the same time, commenting on how the whole scientific apparatus can be so wrong on a related subject.

Also I'm not buying into this theory that we shouldn't allow an effective treatment, just because someone is supposedly overdosing the veterinary version of the drug. It might be partially true for addicting drugs I suppose, but even in this case, that's why we have doctors and prescriptions.

codeflow2202··on Microsoft president: Orwell’s 1984 could happen in 2024
Ivermectin is actually getting the same treatment as the lab leak hypothesis had till a week ago. Many credible sources are screaming that it's time to get a good look into it since it appears to be a great treatment for covid.
codeflow2202··on Some stealth edits Vox made to its article debunking “conspiracy theories”
This is whole story is absurd! For this to be true the following should have all been lying: - researchers - the most influential science magazines - China, the USA and many other governments - the WHO and other health organizations - the media - people on HN, Reddit and any social media platform that made me believe that the lab leak was never an option.
codeflow2202··on Science Has Become a Cartel
The same is happening now with all the scientists asking the EMA and the FDA to look into existing drugs which work well against Covid. Either ignored, or worse, isolated from their own community as lunatics. No wonder people is scared to speak up unless there's nothing left to loose.
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