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"Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin."
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cato_the_elder··on Singapore will decriminalize sex between men, prime minister says
Well, I object to this for multiple reasons.

First of all, it would be nice of you to at least looked at the responses to this comment, and reminded users that many of those are explicitly against HN guidelines (which is objectively true, with comments like just "What on earth?" [1], and my comment is essentially stating an opinion clearly acceptable in e.g. Singapore, and I know one of your goals on HN is to not be completely US-centric). Browbeating is clearly not what HN is for, and IMO allowing it would cause a lot more damage than allowing accounts primarily used for politics. Curious political discussion has some real content, browbeating doesn't.

Secondly, the effect of that policy is to essentially ban accountants with unpopular political opinions on one side of the spectrum (because people don't want to associate it with their normal work, for obvious reasons). One evidence for this is that you've probably banned more accounts on one side of political spectrum with that rationale. That should be easy to check, since the politics of accounts which use HN primarily for politics should be quite clear from their commenting history. I'm not accusing you of personal conscious bias against right-wingers in moderation here, I'm just pointing out that policy would result in more of them getting banned, since more of them have no choice but to try to conceal their identity (due to "consequences" at work, etc.). Remember what happened to Brendan Eich?

Thirdly, I disagree with your characterization of my comments as "ideological battle". I'm merely stating my political opinions, I have tried to never escalate into personal attacks, and I have tried to always add something concrete and interesting to the discussion, along the HN'a norm of intellectual curiosity. To me, ideological "battle" would imply the kind of dogmatic political rallying I got in response to my comment.

Finally, it seems that you are banning my account on a first strike. I don't remember having any previous negative interaction with the mods.

P.S. After posting this, I also noticed that you have "shadow banned" me, in the sense that my comment looks completely normal to myself when logged in, but I can't find a trace of it when logged out. That's an unethical practice in my books, and something that you have explicitly stated that you reserve for spammers and serial trolls [2].

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32544213

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30342925

cato_the_elder··on Open Syllabus – a large repository of syllabi
This is super cool! Based on this, the most popular CS textbook is (of course) CLRS. For physics, it's Halliday. And for calculus, it's Stewart, a demonstrably suboptimal choice.
cato_the_elder··on YouTube disrupted in Pakistan as former PM Khan streams speech
> This class of disruption can be worked around using VPN services, which are able to circumvent government internet censorship measures.

Well, here's something for people who insist all VPN services are a "scam". VPNs play an important role by circumventing censorship in countries with more network level internet censorship.

cato_the_elder··on Singapore will decriminalize sex between men, prime minister says
> Ok, so what gives you reason to think subsidisation (or even just recognition) of non-traditional marriages is going to damage your culture at all?

Traditional nuclear family is a tenant of many cultures, including the one I have a feeling of belonging to. Also, the amount of propaganda and censorship which is needed to push these things is quite worrying.

> I actually thought marriage itself was likely to die as an institution

That's unlikely, at the very least because of Lindy effect [1]. In the traditional sense, it is under attack though.

> something close to 70% support now

First, these things are measured by polls, and the outcome of course depends on how do you ask the question. Do you think you'd get the same outcome if it was phrased as "subsidising" instead of "the right to marry"? Plus, how much propaganda and censorship did that take? Are people free to make fun of these things or harshly criticise them without fear of "consequences"?

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect

cato_the_elder··on If everyone bicycled like the Danes, we’d avoid a UK’s worth of emissions
> many Danes drive cars that cost a bit over DKK 100k

Interesting, I'm curious to know what kinds of car are popular there. I searched a bit, and it seems like after Tesla Model 3 (which is expensive), the most popular car models are Peugeot 208 and Nissan Qashqai [1]. I wasn't able to figure out how much they cost in Denmark through a quick search though.

[1]: https://www.dataforce.de/en/news/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-s...

cato_the_elder··on Singapore will decriminalize sex between men, prime minister says
Well, that kind of comment adds nothing to the discussion. It's certainly not as an unpopular position among the "experts" as you probably think it is [1]:

> "For the Greeks, the concept did not meaningfully exist at all; the social identities we today understand in the West as a gay man or a bisexual woman, for example, simply weren’t something that people recognized."

[1]: https://www.laphamsquarterly.org/roundtable/rules-attraction

cato_the_elder··on Singapore will decriminalize sex between men, prime minister says
Yes, because it's the country where I live in, and I (like most other people) care about my culture.
cato_the_elder··on Singapore will decriminalize sex between men, prime minister says
Well, the institution of marriage is older than the nation state. So, it's independent existence is within the realm of possibility.

I agree that it's a vague proposition in our era though. I'm just saying that it's not completely unreasonable.

cato_the_elder··on Singapore will decriminalize sex between men, prime minister says
Yet again, that's irrelevant. I think the point we are debating here is universality of heterosexuality/heteronormativity.
cato_the_elder··on Singapore will decriminalize sex between men, prime minister says
> If the state should be free to choose, it should be free to choose, not be limited by the constitutional text.

I'm making a distinction between the state and the government. The state also includes people who write and interpret the constitution.

> You'll have to explain how gay people being allowed to visit their loved ones on their death beds as a culture war against "the population" though.

I'm not sure why would you think I'd be against that.

> not some subset that you happen to like

It's not just some subset, it's the overwhelming majority.

cato_the_elder··on Singapore will decriminalize sex between men, prime minister says
If by gay you mean MSM, that's correct. But if you mean males wanting to marry each other, that's debatable.
cato_the_elder··on Singapore will decriminalize sex between men, prime minister says
> So you'd be ok with government subsidisation of polygamy?

In the cultures which approve of it? It's none of my business. In my own country, no.

cato_the_elder··on Singapore will decriminalize sex between men, prime minister says
Not really, probably most people around the world have ancestors from different cultures and ethnicities.
cato_the_elder··on Singapore will decriminalize sex between men, prime minister says
> polygamy is seen as the desirable goal (for men) and monogamy is the poor man's fallback.

But that's still heterosexual.

> And cultures where abstinence/celibacy etc. is revered.

> The Na of Yunnan is supposedly one such example

But those cultures aren't thriving, are they?

cato_the_elder··on Singapore will decriminalize sex between men, prime minister says
See my other comment below: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32544217.
cato_the_elder··on Singapore will decriminalize sex between men, prime minister says
Well, that's right thing to do IMO. It may be true that what happens in people's bedrooms is not government's business, but it's also true that the state has no obligation to subsidize particular lifestyles, especially when it's tantamount to waging a culture war on it's population.
cato_the_elder··on If everyone bicycled like the Danes, we’d avoid a UK’s worth of emissions
As of today, 65,000 DKK amounts to about 8,800 USD. I don't know of any (new) regular cars you could buy at that price.

Also, I'm not sure where did that 80k number came from. If you're using it just as an example, then I think the effective tax rate on that would be 36.25%. [1].

[1]: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=%280.25*65000%2B0.85*15...

cato_the_elder··on If everyone bicycled like the Danes, we’d avoid a UK’s worth of emissions
Oh, I see. Thank you.
cato_the_elder··on If everyone bicycled like the Danes, we’d avoid a UK’s worth of emissions
Their cars per capita is about 2/3 of the US [1]. I bet if you correct for the effect of GDP per capita, they will rank near the bottom among European countries too.

[1]: 0.540 for Denmark vs 0.868 for the US (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicle...)

cato_the_elder··on If everyone bicycled like the Danes, we’d avoid a UK’s worth of emissions
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cato_the_elder··on If everyone bicycled like the Danes, we’d avoid a UK’s worth of emissions
Well, Denmark has a draconian tax on cars [1]. I assume for many Danes, it's not like they have access to a car and are biking to work by choices.

[1]: https://autovista24.autovistagroup.com/news/denmark-agrees-g...

cato_the_elder··on Ask HN: Why do anti-progressive comments get so many down votes?
Given that the Democratic party isn't particularly libertarian, and the fact that most libertarians vote Republican [1], how do you explain the employee donation data?

[1]: https://www.cato.org/commentary/examining-libertarian-vote-d...

cato_the_elder··on Book Review: 1587, a Year of No Significance
With the improvement that the new name is a more proper anagram of "Scott Alexander". The old name was almost an anagram of "Scott S Alexander", with the blemish of missing an N. [1]

[1]: https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/12/youre-probably-wonderi...

cato_the_elder··on Ask HN: Why do anti-progressive comments get so many down votes?
> I am amazed the women of America did not rise up and slaughter your political classes and judges in your red states and the federal courts

Then perhaps you probably don't know much about American politics. Until recently, there wasn't a huge gender gap on the issue. [1]

> You are to all practical purposes at this time in many ways an illegal theocracy operating in a nation state which constitutionally forbids it.

The declaration of independence explicitly says that our fundamental rights are endowed to us by our Creator. [2] The pledge of allegiance calls the US "one Nation under God". [3] The US, unlike France [4], isn't afraid of God.

[1]: https://news.gallup.com/poll/245618/abortion-trends-gender.a...

[2]: https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcrip...

[3]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

[4]: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/12/france-...

cato_the_elder··on Ask HN: Why do anti-progressive comments get so many down votes?
Because tech has a left-wing bias [1], and HN is mostly a tech forum.

I personally think that will change in the coming years though. There's a limit on how much tech and denial of reality can coexist. Perhaps the reason that they have been able to coexist for while is that most tech workers tend to work in fields adjacent to computer science. They live in the world of bits, not atoms.

By denial of reality I mean things like denying the enormous role of genetics, or basic economics (see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_Theory), or insisting on human equality at every level (which is of course utterly untrue, e.g. von Neumann was smarter than almost all of us here), or the war on merit (i.e. "affirmative action"), or heavy use of propaganda and censorship and doublethink to avoid social stigma for particular groups, or denial of basic biology (when it comes to fitness, or gender differences), or even Orwellian [2] insistence on the "fact" that 2 + 2 = 5. [3]

[1]: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/02/most-liberal-tech-compan...

[2]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_%2B_2_%3D_5

[3]: https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/129047933047724032...

cato_the_elder··on How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?
The point is that they are both very popular [1] (and hence influential), no matter our opinion about them.

[1]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-networ...

cato_the_elder··on Cory Doctorow's next book: Chokepoint Capitalism
No, I'm not. It's clearly not a de facto crime. How many non-white Americans get sentenced merely because of driving?
cato_the_elder··on Cory Doctorow's next book: Chokepoint Capitalism
The polemic part is that he's says driving as a non-white person is a de facto crime in the US, which is of course utterly untrue. As a non-white person, I'm sure I would've known if that was the case.

(Also, I had linked to the wrong tweet in the thread. I've corrected it now.)

cato_the_elder··on Cory Doctorow's next book: Chokepoint Capitalism
I'm suggesting his new book is also probably full of polemics.

I used to like him when I was younger, and have fond memories of reading one of his novels (Little Brother [1]) as a teenager.

[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Brother_(Doctorow_nov...

cato_the_elder··on Cory Doctorow's next book: Chokepoint Capitalism
The guy has turned into a composer of polemics. [1]

[1]: e.g. https://mobile.twitter.com/doctorow/status/14664570728711249...

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