bluefirebrand

What level would you say "oscillating between wanting to jump off a bridge or become the unabomber 2" is? Bouncing between depression and anger like a yo-yo right now

I haven't touched on bargaining even once, and I don't know if I will ever be able to truly reach acceptance

No, my point is that you're conflating "expensive" with money

Yeah a lot of my points are about money. But it's also free time, responsibility, etc

For example my parents used to drop me off for a friends birthday party and then go away. There would be adults there who they trusted to look out for me, and they could use that time for themselves for a bit to do whatever

Nowadays parents literally stay the entire time. That's a pretty large chunk of time that my parents had to themselves and parents nowadays do not. I don't know what other term than "expensive" to describe that, but it doesn't have anything to do with money

I want people like you to get your heads out of the clouds and realize that post scarcity is never going to happen in our lifetimes

Allow me to reframe all of your points through a slightly different lens

1) Shifting Culture of Norms == Children are expensive. If you have kids you might have to give up the lucrative career opportunities you have been building towards since your university days, and other personal opportunities

2) Inflation of expectations on parenting == Children are expensive. Parents are expected to spend a lot more of their free time and money putting their kids in programs and sports and such

3) Delay in child bearing led to fertility drop when people really want to have kids == Children are expensive. If you want to have them, you need to have them before you are really financially stable and established in a career.

4) kids are no longer useful == Children are expensive. In the past kids were expected to contribute to the household at a fairly young age. Nowadays not so much. This means families either hire someone to do that work or it falls on the parents.

5) Women in the workforce == Children are expensive! Families have an entire extra income with Moms working and they still can't afford childcare. With an entire extra income!

So you're right that the reasons for falling birth rates don't have to be "children are expensive" but all of the reasons are certainly "children are expensive"-shaped

> There is no dependency relationship between accountability and decision making.

There absolutely is when the decision making is writing a medical prescription

Do you seriously think your doctor is not accountable for what they prescribe?

Given that, shouldn't an AI system also be somehow accountable for what it prescribes?

Who is accountable for a misdiagnosis or mistreatment then?

How do you hold an AI accountable for getting it wrong in ways that fuck you up?

> That's the charitable way of interpreting it

It's a good thing that "interpret people's comments charitably" is one of the top guidelines on this forum then

Terrible for me because I have to compete with AI for jobs

Racing to the bottom is literally the outcome I am most afraid of

I don't want to live at the bottom

People in medieval times didn't generally have lifestyles that needed extra push to go be active

It's very likely that they would also stay home and rot on their phones given a chance to. But that was never an option for them

That's sort of my point though. Look at developed societies that exist today that don't have the same fitness problems. What are they doing differently?

I dunno man.

I have never felt what people describe endorphin rush to feel like. Or runners high or anything remotely like it.

I'm almost 40. I had a pretty physically active childhood through my 20s, and I just never remember ever feeling good afterwards. It's very important for me to keep exercising to avoid diabetes, but I struggle mightily to make myself keep doing it nowadays because it is miserable to me

No one can really explain that to me. A lot of "maybe it's this, maybe it's that" but no help fixing it so I can motivate myself to keep doing the work

It sucks. I have a lot more empathy for the "I just can't make myself do it" crowd than I used to. There's a missing circuit in my brain or something and there's no brain mechanic to fix it.

This never ending chase for a kinder, gentler way to use language is a fools errand. Every time we come up with another term for something, eventually it gets into the lexicon as a nasty term because unkind people will always find ways to use it disparagingly

People came up with "unalived" to get around censorship built by idiots who think they can trivially police language like this, now unalive is being used viciously by unkind people

This strikes me as pretty similar to gamification, honestly. You went to the gym this week 1/7

I guess if it works, but man I think we need to do some work as a society and species to untangle how messed up we've become that we need a little jingle to motivate us to do good things for ourselves and make healthy choices.

> I would expect the AI tutor to add noticeable value over studying static written material

Why would you think that? The act of (human) tutoring is absolutely the opposite of how these chatbots are built. Tutors are proactive, not reactive.

Intelligence statistic.

It's a reference to games where a high INT (intelligence) means your character is smarter

Not of you're talking to someone who is walking beside you, right?

I could never eat there. I do not have a WhatsApp and I am never going to do that just to eat somewhere

I'm right there with you

Everyone I know thinks I'm weird when I get mad that a restaurant doesn't have a physical menu. I don't want to scan a QR code and scroll a menu on my phone, it's a worse experience than reading a paper menu in every single way

Not to mention that humans can do all of that stuff while fueled only by a can of Mt Dew and a bag of cheezies.

A bit like calling a crane "superhuman strength"

I mean sure, but who cares? It's a machine.

The same way an excavator is not judged by human standards, neither should AI be. It's a machine

Did anyone ever claim that Humans are "general intelligence"?

Individually we are specialized intelligence. As a society we are absolutely a General Intelligence though

You make work hard?

Are you one of my coworkers?

Also Dragons Dogma

When it comes to trades it's also a bit of "most people do not want to do this job because it's unglamorous"

Many people would choose not to be a plumber for various reasons. A shocking number of people seem to deem manual work as beneath them. Many others just prefer to do other work.

I have no problem doing plumbing or building. I've installed floors, ceiling fixtures, drywall, whatever. But I am best at software and would prefer to do that for my career.

Oh.

I didn't intend to say anything about AI or it's current capabilities in my post, honestly

Just that the turing test was always a flawed thought experiment and we've known that for a long time

Personally I don't really think any current AI is sentient but I do think it is more capable and sophisticated than any chinese room thought experiment was ever imagined to be.

I'm not sure if I care about its nature all that much, honestly. I'm much more interested in the social implications of its existence and how we continue to make humanity relevant in a world where AI and Robotics are doing more and more

I'm very afraid that if humanity loses relevance in the current social environment it will be very bad for most of us

The version that you use in your browser is not capable of this though

It's important to remember that "AI" is a pretty big spectrum right now. The cutting edge is not exactly available to consumers like us, and it probably never will actually be

Wait until the next time you have to do interviews and you get screened by an AI before a person ever even looks at your resume

Believe me, that's the most dehumanizing experience I think I've ever had

What makes you say that? I'm really curious. Do I give off AI vibes?

> You can be tried for the same crime if you do the crime again.

> Since OAI et al don't appear interested in stopping crime, they can (and likely will) be tried again the next time they do it.

There is no second entire internet for them to steal though

This may be a silly question but is this London England or London Ontario?

I have a student friend in London Ontario that might be looking for an internship / working student position and I'd be happy to pass it along if that's the right city.