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It's a combo of this and satellites.
The only credible rumor I believe is that a even stealthier variant of the F-117 was used in the "gap" between the SR-71 and modern drones. But since then almost all ISR is done by drones, with the rare exception when the U2 is still flown.
Otherwise satellites had gotten to the point in the 90s that they could provide real time feeds so it destroyed the need for a high end recon platform like the sr-71 and all other ISR could be done by cheap drones.
Like you said, two wrongs don't make a right. Just by pointing out this has happened elsewhere doesn't make the conversation about China doing it any less important or relevant. Why shut down this conversation?
I disagree this is the case. "This is how it's been done" is a terrible excuse for anything. This attempt at protection of the status quo is wrong because almost without exception the status quo is sub optimal.
> because I doubt that he could steer his ship without it
There is no reason to believe this.
I have high confidence that the Russians will manage to eventually make a 5th gen fighter using a legacy of nearly 50 years of development. But no, the JSF program is the one that is heavily delayed.
What other modern plane development programs don't actually take decades?
Include Boeing and Airbus planes into that too. Include helicopters. All of it is a time consuming and expensive thing to do. We are not riveting metal together and putting piston engines in fighters anymore.
Strictly measuring the R&D places the program at $50B. A price tag that includes making virtually 3 kinds of planes for more than a dozen operators.
So when you say its cost $1.5T, then try to point to alternatives, I'd have to ask, which other alternative planes have had 3000 constructed and then operated over the course of its life in the past 2 decades? What exactly are you trying to compare that $1.5T number to?
Do you want to compare this to the Rafale, of which there are only 150?
To use a metaphor:
I went out and bought 10 bags of apples for $100, but that guy only needed to spend $10 for his bag of oranges.
Currently a lot of the flaws of the F-35 program have been fixed. Even the cost per fighter is reasonable now, its approaching a sub $100M cost per aircraft. Its a much better plane than its contemporaries, and its costs are in the same category.
Designing an advanced fighter aircraft in the 21st century is hard and expensive. Designing one to do 3 roles and built in the thousands is even harder. But its easier and cheaper than the alternatives. The F-35 is going to end up being a good aircraft and will fulfill what it was designed to do.
Fortunately planet Earth won't be bothered by us too much. The cycles of ice ages we are in will "correct" most anything we do. The loss of biodiversity will probably be our only legacy.
Another way of saying it: rich people were unhappy they have to pay taxes.