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This is the sort of thing I think someone would have found a better solution for if more languages (and possibly English in particular) had non-spaced compound nouns.
[1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/06/a-decidedly-non-linu...
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17617675
[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20180726143328/https://telepost....
I also get what you mean by “straw-man-y”. I think the issue is that definitions have to be robust and hypotheses falsifiable in order to make them researchable, so they must be kind of stringent. Exactly as you say, someone might be in a political echo chamber, but that is not their entire life. They have peers, family, friends, colleagues that also expose them to political information. By focusing so much on the online, the echo chamber assumption was very limited from the start.
> The former is passive, and you have no choice. The latter is human nature. Birds of a feather and such.
Both concepts are closely related to the idea of homophily, the preference to connect or communicate with like-minded individuals (birds of a feather, as you say). In Bruns’ definition, echo chambers mean the preference to connect, while filter bubbles mean the preference to communicate. Both of them are, as you say, human nature at their core. The concepts go further than homophily, though, in that they also exclude individuals or information outside of the chamber or bubble.
> "Appear to encounter" is a vague.
This is from the research abstract summarising recent empirical findings. I think some critical distance is warranted.
> Thst aside, encounter doesn't mean you're open to those ideas. (…) The exposure doesn't open their mind, it backfires and pulls the blinders even more narrow. I missed where this study addresses that boomerang effect.
This effect is addressed as a “oppositional reading stance” in the section “Social and Political Relevance and Impact”.
> Again, "exposure" isn't necessarily leading to more diverse ideas.
You are correct. However, if individuals are encountering information contrary to their bubble’s or chamber’s belief, we would have to conclude that there is no FB or EC at work as it has failed to exclude this information. If the bubble or chamber was as robust as claimed by Pariser and others, this content would not have reached the individual.
> From multiple sources I've read that limited ownership is leading to consolidation.
You are referring to ownership structures. “Fragmentation of national mediaspheres” here refers to the audience, specifically the concern that the increasing number of media offers, especially with the advent of the internet, would fragment the national audience and have adverse effects on discourse and democracy.
> That might be true, but it's not proof that FB or EC don't exist.
It is not epistemologically possible to prove that these effects do not exist. There is limited evidence that they exist in specific contexts, but barely any evidence for a population-wide effect.
However, this is unrelated to the common understanding echo chambers. A big problem with the concept is that there is no robust definition, and the fact that it is used widely in mainstream discussion does not make it easier. The tendency to preferentially connect or communicate with like-minded people (homophily) is nothing new, we encounter it everywhere—think hobby groups, special-interest forums like HN etc. Social media’s affordances especially promote homophily. What the filter bubble/echo chamber concepts add to this preference is an exclusion of outsiders. The above commenter summarised a purported consequence as “you’re sucked into an echo chamber with only news that confirms your views”. In this sense, using diverse news would be incompatible with an echo chamber.
What is especially interesting, then, is that ideological polarisation is very much alive on the internet, despite (or indeed because of) the absence of echo chambers.
I thoroughly recommend the article I linked above. It touches upon these concepts and cites current research that allows you to dig deeper.
If you’re interested, the article below gives a great overview on the origin of this concept and different disciplines’ view on the subject (it’s open-access as well).
[1] Bruns, A. (2019). Filter bubble. Internet Policy Review, 8(4). https://www.doi.org/10.14763/2019.4.1426
Also, the web client is very bare-bones, unfortunately.
What we’re seeing today in online spaces is the possibility of people connecting online, forming their own bubbles of people with their own spirals – it has become much easier to sidestep the “general” spiral of silence.
For example, in German compound nouns, you do not set a ligature between the two nouns. For instance, "Kaufläche" (Kau: chewing, + Fläche: area) should be written with ligature, while in "Kaufleute" (Kauf: purchase, + Leute: people, = merchants) the ligature should be avoided.