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Sam Altman has always been a scummy piece of shit. Company culture comes from the top. If the author only realized that the company is garbage in the last six months, they’ve got some serious introspection to do IMO, and I’m not going to take any of their “concerns” seriously.

Thank you for pointing that out. Pretty scummy if you ask me.

I think you’re confused. My point was that for most of the incidents in the news to date, the “user” is an OpenAI internal team or employee. So yes, the company is responsible.

I’m not a current or former OpenAI employee and I can see from the outside that they’re immoral and unethical enough that I’d never work there in the first place. That’s what I was commenting on. This person is probably set for life, so you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t really take their “concerns” seriously.

Thanks, I agree. Since it wasn’t at all relevant to my point, I’ve removed it from my post.

I agree, and I think the concerns are invalid for completely separate reasons. But it does mean that the writer of the article is morally bankrupt.

That’s true, but people don’t typically say “this Smith & Wesson gun killed someone”; they recognize that the person pulling the trigger is responsible.

With LLMs, at least in the cases of internal/test models doing things they shouldn’t, the people “pulling the trigger” are the board and CEO.

It’s not a personal attack. And it matters because of what the person you’re replying to already said:

> Easy to suddenly find a moral compass when you, your kids and their kids never have to worry about working for money again.

If someone is in this situation, you can safely ignore their hand-wringing about “safety.”

IDK why anyone can’t clearly define “AGI” and why they can’t clearly lay out how we get from our current text-generation algorithms to whatever their idea of “AGI” is.

I had a 2005 (launch year) Reddit account. I deleted it when the API shenanigans happened and haven’t looked back. I have my browsers all set up to redirect Reddit.com to a Redlib instance. I will never visit or participate in the site again.

My biggest regret is that I didn’t anonymize & overwrite all my comments, so AI fuckery has access to them forever.

Edit: forgot the obligatory fuck /u/spez

I understand that you were saying that.

I am saying that this reply is irrelevant to the original post you were replying to.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you are directly responsible for charging them, but more that maybe we as a community should be (way) more concerned about the apparent clear violations of the law here as opposed to a hand-wavy concern about "superintelligence."

> a company that's investigating over 10k security incidents in which subagents that they developed and are hosting appear to be indiscriminately hacking

Glad you agree that OpenAI is responsible for this activity. Shouldn't we be charging the entire board of the company with, for example, violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act?

If this activity is so dangerous, and they developed the tools and continue to allow them to be used, it seems to trivially follow that they're knowingly violating federal law.

What is superintelligence? Can you show that a LLM (which is a deterministic text-generation algorithm) is intelligent at all, let alone “superintelligent”?

I have considered that I’m incorrect, but I have literally zero evidence to indicate that the “very intelligent people” you speak of are correct, so I will maintain a position of non-belief of the claim until belief is warranted.

I am in fact concerned about the cases that have already come to light regarding OpenAI and Anthropic knowingly hacking into various computer systems, but the concern I have is regarding the fact that the people responsible (CEOs, board members, etc) are not facing justice for violating the law.

More lies from the lie factory.

Every time they state something like this, one of two things must be true:

1) They’re lying to build hype, investor interest to keep the unsustainable gravy train going, etc.

2) Or, if they’re not lying, then Sam Altman and the entire board of the company belong in a courtroom facing criminal charges for knowingly violating federal law.

Which is it, OpenAI?

It’s like you’re not even responding to what was said and instead just… bragging about your total compensation? I am so confused.

I, for one, wasn’t referring to compensation at all, just pointing out that the hard work of many is being stolen, mixed into a slurry, and spit out as slop. And people are right to be upset about that, again, regardless of any compensation (or lack thereof), or need to adapt, or anything else.

Coders didn’t exist 100 years ago, but writers, scientists, and artists all did, and their work is being stolen just as much as the coders. Tired take.

Wow, sounds like a great idea to give my payment information to an algorithm that is notorious for being wrong and unpredictable, so that it can fill out a couple of text fields.

If only there was a way to save my credit card info somewhere securely on my own machine, say, in my browser.

AI didn’t kill innocent people here, the Department of Defense and its decision-makers did.

In a just world, Pete Hegseth and the entire board of Palantir would be in prison for this.

Please stop guessing.

Have you actually tried this or are you just guessing?

You can’t disable “whatever you want.” As the OP explains, in macOS 27 a “Siri AI” process stays running, always, doing who knows what, even if you turn everything off via the UI and CLI. If you know of a way to disable this, please post it because I’m sure many people would be interested in it.

As another example of what you can’t disable: I don’t wish to subscribe to Apple’s paid iCloud offerings. Yet there are several places in the UI both in macOS and iOS where there are non-removable ads for the service under certain conditions. For example, when your local storage fills up. Oh and now there’s a non-removable 20GB+ Apple LLM model now taking up space on my 256GB ssd. Thanks a lot Tim/John.

Fascist CEO partners with other fascist surveillance company for something no one cares about.

Humans solved the open math problems.

I retract my previous comment as it was not an instance of the pot calling the kettle black; the comment you replied to was way more helpful and informative than yours.

Hello Pot, I would like to introduce you to Kettle.

You created a new account just to evade a ban/shadowban and to mostly re-post your dead post from a couple days ago, which I already read and dismissed as incorrect. Stop it, and get a life.

Your original post, in its entirety, was:

> Every state in the US has free ID cards that work for voting.

Massachusetts does not have a free ID card. QED, LOL, etc.

If you'd like to retract your statement and reword it to something like "Every state in the US has a free method or process to prove one's identity that works for voting" then I'd be much more inclined to agree with you (though I'm still not sure of this either). But not every state in the US has a free ID *card*.

This is a meaningful distinction because non-ID-card-based identity verification processes like in Massachusetts often need to be repeated for every election, creating more work for the voter, preventing mail-in or at-home voting, and leading to less voter turnout.

The person you’re replying to isn’t going to substantively respond, because fragile snowflakes typically won’t engage when they recognize that answering a simple question exposes their hypocrisy.

> On the contrary, I'd urge people who e.g. adopted LLMs and agentic workflows for work to skip the second one. Reading it risks giving an aneurysm at worst, and wasting one's time and effort at best.

I have “adopted LLMs and agentic workflows for work” and I neither had an aneurysm nor felt that my time was wasted after reading it, and I think it showed the very tempered expectations that you reference.

Care to actually engage with the points in the article?