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I found out (as an adult) that the first 10 seconds of this video had been aired: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4woMuFZAx88

My teacher should have known about it.

Now I found out that the media has had this footage the whole time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq8zFLIftGk but didn't air it.

I understand why. It was blatant propaganda from the west. It makes the story more interesting since people wonder if he was run over which was never stated but implied when I was told: "we don't know what happened after this photo was taken".

When I was a young adult I found out there was a video BUT this is the only section they showed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4woMuFZAx88

Now I found out that the media has had this footage the whole time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq8zFLIftGk

My favourite part is the grandmother that comes up and tells him off for annoying the tank.

Everything that I've read said that they did.

I was just told disinformation growing up along with virtually everyone I grew up with. Maybe your country was more honest about it but mine wasn't (Australia). Most people that I talk to still think he was run over.

I made the point because I assume other people don't know either...

Growing up I was taught about the "tank man" and that no one knew what happened after the photo and if he was run over or not ... a partial lie. We know that he was taken away by other civilians and wasn't run over.

I was never taught about the Nanjing massacre or Unit 731 but we spent a lot of time talking about Tiananmen square and Holocaust.

I now know that a lot of my education was biased and I assume other people are completely unaware. Most people I've talked to don't know about the rest of the video which is why I brought it up.

When I was at school I was told that all we had was this one photo and we didn't know what happened to him. I assume other people were told the same thing.

It turns out that there was a video that shows him being taken away by other civilians the whole time.

Be aware that the famous "tank man" was not actually run over. You can see the rest of the video if you look online.

The CIA files have also been leaked which provides more information about that happened that day. As always the truth seems to be somewhere in the middle. Not as bad as the western media says it was but worse than the Chinese government admits.

I always find it weird that no one seems to care about the Nanjing massacre which was much bigger or that Tulsa massacre which most Americans seem to be unaware of...

I'm just curious why you think a Taiwanese company should stop selling to a Chinese company based on statement/policy of a foreign country?

It is obviously in their best financial interest to sell to Huawei. Why should they stop?

Part of the reason for this is that the US system uses common law which means that it changes over time based on previous cases.

The Chinese system is based more on the German system where courts have less leeway and follow the laws more than interpret the laws.

The Chinese civil law is more common worldwide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law

In Australia, it was considered a type of shoe like a "boot". We got really annoyed when a US company trademarked an Australian product and then stopped Australian companies from selling it under the name they had been using for decades.

Sort of like this exact case...

Which would make sense if they were going after the US companies that did the same thing...

Hmm... they've decided not to follow any of those leads even though they did the same thing? Interesting...

What is happening in China is that most things are pre-paid or have very low hard credit limits.

You often have to pay six months of rent in advance to rent. I know lots of people that have been cut off electricity or phone service but you can get it reconnected in hours or less if you pay the bill.

The one nice thing is that there are NO late fees, reconnection fees, overage fees, etc. You just don't get service.

I'm still on the fence. A lot of the time when you run a credit score you also run a police check. Not always but often enough. I expect most of the other stuff will be too much effort to be kept in the score at a national level unless it is a token amount.

China doesn't have the same incarceration rate that the US has (I don't think anyone does). I also don't know how long the score will be impacted by a criminal history.

I'm not saying it will work. I'm just saying that because other countries have done it one way does not mean that every other way of doing it is automatically wrong.

As an expat here my current score is "B" but I'll move up to an "A" next year. I don't know if that score means anything...

China currently doesn't have a "credit score" like most of the rest of the world. They also don't have a national police database so this is their attempt to do both at once. If you look at the information these two things seem to make roughly 90% off your score.

Everything else is basically an experiment. Each district is doing it differently to find out what works the best and that will then be merged into what the country does. (The scientific process ... using data to inform policy)

I visited Guangzhou in 2018 and was expecting it to be crazy since it has "the worst levels of noise pollution in the world" https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/mar/08/where-world-n... but it was almost crazy how quiet the city was. After the report come out they went around the whole city putting in traffic lights and fixing up all the intersections. There is still traffic but it is now more organised than any Chinese city I have been to. I ask the locals about it and they love the cameras, the order and the reduction in noise pollution. They freely admit that without the cameras most of the other Chinese people would just not obey the road rules so they are glad that the cameras are there.

I image "social credit" will be similar. Lots of people here just don't pay bills because there is no credit history and there are no debt collectors (well not like in the west anyway). If you owe money to the wrong people then it is better to just disappear but for most companies, they have no power and they cannot do anything.

Why would the government want to stop this?

Most small business in China happens without being taxed. It is fairly trivial to get money into China but harder to get it out of China. From memory, Chinese people can exchange about $10,000 USD per year which is more than the average income here. If you need more than just ask your friend and buy them dinner. (we didn't have enough paperwork to exchange our bonus from RMB to AUD when I left the country. I had two Chinese friends help me since they didn't need any paperwork to exchange money)

The limits are more at a company level than at an individual level.

That being said where would you keep the money as a Chinese national? In the USA where the US government might take it and then throw you in jail when you collect it (Huawei CFO)? Most other countries work with the USA so they are not a lot safer.

The Chinese tax system is mostly "prepaid" so the government gets there tax either way...

This is also exactly what a lot of companies do and you can buy overseas money from these people.

Thanks, Yorwba. I guess I've been desensitised to the whole Taiwan issue. They do go on and on and on about it and any company that refers to it separately rather than as part of China.

There was the issue about the airlines recently as well. I just skip over those stories but there are a lot of them.

I'm not actually trolling. I'm interested in reading an article like this. I've seen people talk about them and looked for them but not seen one. The ones I've seen are just boring.

Sorry if you thought it was a troll. It sounded like you knew an actual source that I could check out rather than just rumours.

I live in China as an expat. I haven't seen any bashing of US companies from the media in the limited amount of Chinese media that I consume.

There is propaganda everywhere but it is about China. They don't tend to bash other countries but keep going on about how good China is. They just ignore everyone else because China is everything.

The US media bashes China all the time but that may just be because I read English news. If you have seen the Chinese equivalent I would like to check it out since I haven't seen that side of China yet.

The Chinese people are strongly nationalistic just like people from the USA (I'm from Australia which is nice ... but not really important). Social media is big over here and people organise boycotts of companies all the time.

You said "state-controlled media puts out massive amounts of propaganda railing foreign firms" and "China is far worse". It should be easy to find one if this is true otherwise it is just "fake news" that gets repeated so often that people think it is true.

It should be easy to find one example.

Do you have any actual examples?

Chinese TV & newspapers spend most of their time speaking about how good China and Chinese companies are rather than caring about US companies. Lots of Chinese people are not aware of the "trade war".

I'm not asking for many just 1 recent example.

Yep.

http://fortune.com/2016/09/16/samsung-galaxy-recall-china/ The battery was different but had a similar problem - https://www.scmp.com/tech/enterprises/article/2026800/samsun...

I was crazy. I thought it said "non-US companies on behalf of US companies".

Not sure how that happened.

It was a different leak BUT ... yes.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/29/wikileaks_docs_show...

The government doesn't need to. The Chinese population will decide if they want to drop Apple themselves. They already have basically stopped buying Samsung after the S7 issue and the US military base.

The free market in action...

The technology seems similar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYjc9h8oSsY (This is actually Alibaba but JD should be the similar)

Electric bicycles and scooters are amazing.

They are the most common form of transport in China as far as I can tell...

What I find really interesting is that Alibaba inside China has already solved this problem in Tmall and Taobao (it doesn't really work for international sellers).

Once you've built up a buying history and reach the level of VIP you get a guaranteed refund policy while claims are being investigated. If you request a refund you get the refund while they investigate.

Also refunds for counterfeit are triple on Tmall (optional on Taobao) which makes it fairly easy to figure out if something will be real or not. The seller also has to have a bond of different amounts which is public so you know how much they trust their own products.

I thought that this would be interesting since Amazon just pulled out of China. This is probably one of the main reasons they struggled here. (I live in Shanghai as an expat)

This was already standard in China at least 7 years ago.

JD and TMall have about close to 1,000 distribution points in the major cities with at least 10,000 delivery people each. Same day delivery is standard (order before 10am and it arrives by 6pm) for a lot of products. Install and building furniture at your home is also a common feature. Two day delivery is slow.

Amazon isn't willing to invest the money and for most products on their site they still don't stock products locally. Half the time I find products on their site I have to wait 2/3+ weeks for it to be imported.

There is nothing stopping them having local stock but ... they don't.

How is this any different to the NSA and Chinese companies?

We already know the NSA did this to Huawei for multiple years.

As an Australian living in China one of the things that annoys me is that I have to provide all of my Australian bank accounts and investment accounts with my Chinese tax file number. I also have to tell my Chinese banks my Chinese tax file number. This only started 2/3 years ago.

This isn't for the Chinese government or the Australian government. This is for the American government because of the FACTA law.

The US government wants to have jurisdiction of everyone ... just in case you might be an American not paying taxes.

Everyone focuses on driving which in the long run is probably going to go away as self-driving cars come onto the scene.

The best example I've seen of the gig economy is jobs that were already contract based but where it was hard to find and connect contractors with customers.

Walking dogs, small home renovation, etc. I've seen these apps make a massive positive change in the market where people are able to find more work than they code before (at roughly the same rate) and customers can find contractors willing to do the work and they are rated by past customers rather than just word of mouth.