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i was for a while too. but the shift back to aluminum does not bode well for caseless.

deep scratches are trivial and drops will immediately lead to heavy dents. that being said the screen itself is incredibly tough so it will be usable.

before (stainless / titanium) you could go caseless without concern. the most i ever had happen was a little crack on the back

can't the compiler process it in reverse?

maybe. the allegations against perplexity are being challenged and i haven't seen any research on google agent. CF can demonstrate nonpartisanship, and gain credence for their claims against perplexity, by being transparent about other players in the space.

(as an aside, not to shift the goalpost to the elephant in the room, but i didn't see any blog posts on the shameless consumption of every single thing on the internet by OAI, google and anthropic. talk about misuse..)

fair point.

where's the front page CF callout for google search agent? they wouldn't dare. i don't remember the shaming for ad and newsletter pop up blockers.

that being said, agree with you that sites are not being used the way they were intended. i think this is part of the evolution of the web. it all began with no monetization, then swung far too much into it to the point of abuse. and now legitimate content creators are stuck in the middle.

what i disagree on is that CF has the right to, again allegedly, shame perplexity on false information. especially when OAI is solving captchas and google is also "misusing" websites.

i wish i had an answer to how we can evolve the web sustainably. my main gripe is the shaming and virtue signaling.

i agree. i think the point i agree with perplexity on is that CF is a central authority that is claiming to be the gatekeeper while (allegedly) being disingenuous and incapable.

i also tend to agree with the concept that scraping != consuming on behalf of a user. they explicitly point out that they do not store the data for training, which would fall under scraping by proxy.

if what they're saying is true then this was a huge fuckup on CFs part. i was already a bit suspicious when they started gloating about OAI agent since it's been shown to literally state that it's solving a captcha to complete the task.

i guess it will come down to browserbase corroborating the claims.

see, literally, reddit requiring teenagers to open their mouth and roll their heads around to enter.

user agent = which bullshit css hacks and js polyfills will be needed

why don't they just set those as options

{ throwNotOk, parseJson }

they know that's 99% of fetch calls, i do t see why it can't be baked in.

pardon the ignorance but it's the first time I've heard of bfloat16.

i asked chat for an explanation and it said bfloat has a higher range (like fp32) but less precision.

what does that mean for image generation and why was bfloat chosen over fp?

you are arguably the most educated expert on the subject available on HN. any chance you will share your thoughts on here, your blog or mastodon?

something tells me the viberanks was vibecoded. the numbers clearly don't make sense, nor are they consistent. top guy is 13B and 3rd place is 93B? those token counts are preposterous but also don't equate at all in dollar cost.

who knows, just something i came across when trying to find the twitter thread.

i get it, fuck the "man" and so forth.

I’m not suggesting you be sympathetic to anthropic. I’m suggesting sympathy for people who were using it legitimately, such as myself and others in areas where $200/mo is an extraordinary commitment, and we're not blind but appreciative to their subsidizing the cost.

the core of my position is, was it necessary for people to use it wastefully because they could? what was gained from that activity? sticking it to that greedy corporation? did it outweigh what was lost to the other 95%+ of users?

i don't think we're debating from compatible viewpoints. i maintain it's not wrong, just abusive. you maintain it's not wrong, it is [was] allowed. so be it.

the party's over anyways. the result is an acceleration on the path of normalizing the true cost of usage and it's clear that will unfortunately, or maybe justifiably in your eyes, exclude a lot of people who can't afford it. cheers man.

of course not. the buffet said all you can eat, didn't it? i don't expect you to do anything less but engorge your body to the point of hospitalization while 95% of the remaining customers look in horror.

sorry i went looking but couldn't find it. asked grok to search too. it wasn't creative use imo, it was extremism for the sake of attention since as far as i could tell they weren't producing anything (i'm sure they would have told everyone). although to be fair, the recursive opus chaining could be considered creative but only if it had a practical application.

not the tweet but here's a leaderboard of claude clowns bragging about their spend. maybe you can find their handles and ask them what MRR they hit spending $500k (not a typo) in credits.

https://www.viberank.app/

there's a famous quote that i think captures the spirit of what i'm trying to express

"you're not wrong, you're just an asshole" - the dude to walter.

(no particular offense directed, the you here is of course the "royal you").

it's not a court of law.

end users did have power. the power to use the service legitimately, even as a power user. two choices were possible, with the users given the power to decide:

1. use it for an entire 8 hour workday with 1-2 agents at most - limited by a what a human could possibly entertain in terms of review and guidance.

2. use for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with recursive agents on full opus blast. no human review could even be possible with this much production. its the functional equivalent of one person managing a team of 10-20 cracked engineers on adderall that pump out code 24 hours a day.

the former was the extreme of a power user with a practical deliverable. the latter is a circus whose sole purpose is to push the bounds and tweet about it.

now the lawyers get some fresh work to do and everyone gets throttled. oh and that 2nd group? they'll be, and are, the loudest about how they've been "rug pulled just like cursor".

we differ on the opinion that you can be abusive without breaking ToS. perhaps a charitable view is that this type of [abuse || acceptable use] helps lawyers stay employed so they can [eliminate exploitation of || more adequately describe] their ToS.

that's hilarious. well I've been outed as the knob here.

i'm not debating your position. i'm clarifying that the rephrasing did have meaning, and explaining to you what that difference is.

your politics are none of my business.

OP implies that increased far-right polling is one element of the country losing all sense.

this response implies that the country has lost ass sense and thus far-right polling has increased as an attempt to get back to sense.

i wonder how many are negligent vs ignorant. negligence would be senior engineers that could scope and work with context properly but are lazy or don't care. ignorance would be vibe coders that genuinely can't express anything beyond plain english and superficial descriptions of issues and changes.

you were rugged? you sincerely expected you could run parallel opus agents 24/7 for $200/mo? who did the rugging here? did it occur to you that paying $7/day for a 24/7 team of dedicated senior engineers, roughly being paid 30 cents an hour, was not sustainable?

yes it was unlimited. so is the public water fountain. but if you show up and hold the button down to run nonstop while chanting "it says unlimited free water doesn't it??" you must expect that it will no longer be unlimited.

we went from reasonably unlimited, which 95% of users enjoyed, respected and recognized was subsidized, to no unlimited anymore because 5% wanted to abuse it. now you can scream about being rugged, just like you did for cursor, and jump to the next subsidized provider that you can abuse until there's none left. you do realize that every time "unlimited" gets abused it raises the standard of limits and pricing across the board until it becomes normalized. this was going to happen anyways on a longer timeframe where providers could optimize inference and models over time so the change wasn't so shocking, but abuse accelerated it.

depends on your view of collectivist vs individualistic.

if your actions are defined by legal ToS then no, they didn't do anything wrong. they paid, it's the company's fault for not expecting someone to use 50-100x a reasonable usage.

if your actions are defined by ethical use then you understood that 50-100x the use would inevitably lead to ruining the party for everyone.

it's like a buffet. everyone pays a flat price and can enjoy a big meal for themselves. maybe sometimes having a few extra pieces of cake here and there. until someone shows up and starts stacking plates well beyond any reasonable expectation (not rule based) of a buffet customer. what's the result? stringent rules that are used for legal rather than rational enforcement.

it's obvious that even "reasonable use" is being subsidized, and the company was okay with doing so. until we have people running 10 opus instances in a glutinous orchestra of agents just because they can. now the party is over. and i'd love to know what these claude agencies were even producing running 24/7 on opus. i can't imagine what human being even has the context to process what 24/7 teams of opus can put out. much like i can't imagine the buffet abuser actually enjoying the distending feast. but here we are.

guy was bragging about it on twitter yesterday. $13,200 of spend for his $200 account. he said he had like 4-5 opus only agents running nonstop and calling each other recursively.

clearly that's abusive and should be targeted. but in general idk how else any inference provider can handle this situation.

cursor is fucked because they are a whole layer of premium above the at-cost of anthropic / openai etc. so everyone leaves goes to cc. now anthropic is in the same position but they can't cut any premium off.

you can't practically put a dollar cap on monthly plans because they are self exposing. if you say 20/mo caps at 500/mo usage then that's the same as 480/500 (95%) discount against raw API call. that's obviously not sustainable.

there's a real entitled chanting going on too. i get that it sucks to get used to something and have it taken away but does anyone understand that just the cap/opex alone is unsustainable let alone the RD to make the models and tools.

I’m not really sure what can be done besides a constant churn of "fuck [whoever had to implement sustainable pricing], i'm going to [next co who wants to subsidize temporarily in exchange for growth]".

i think it's shitty the way it's playing out though. these cos should list these as trial periods and be up front about subsidizing. people can still use and enjoy the model(s) during the trial, and some / most will leave at the end, but at least you don't get the uproar.

maybe it would go a long way to be fully transparent about the cap/op/rdex. nobody is expecting a charity, we understand you need a profit margin. but it turns it from the entitled "they're just being greedy" chanting to "ok that makes sense why i need to pay X to have 1+ tireless senior engineers on tap".

it's interesting that a lot of innovation happened on mobile runtimes to deal with apples JIT restriction. what was that about and why didn't android have the constraint?

of course i can look it up, but you probably have a better insight than the slop i'll find off google.

thanks for the article. these days it's rare to see something so well researched and written while still being able to tell it was authored by a human. cheers

in the world of frameworks it's obvious that

html in your JS > JS in your html.

angular is a mess. it's the java of web frameworks. if you want up be enterprise(tm) go for it. I’m convinced it's only a thing because it gives people job security since nobody else chooses to touch it.

i remember seeing web components years ago, it sounds like they've improved a lot.

what do you do about the lack of (i assume) ecosystem? due to the ready ubiquity there's practically a library for everything. do you find that using WC you are having to hand roll a lot? i don't mean to be a package slave but for complex and tedious things like graphs / charts.

to be fair to both points:

he has a really warped view that SPAs are somehow purely about routing.

he does correctly point out that a lot of sites could and should be treated as sites not apps.

OP, have a look at todo tree: https://github.com/Gruntfuggly/todo-tree

it's a game changer while solo or on a team. and I’m sure it's reproducible outside of vscode (it's just highlighting depending on the todo token used).

been using it and introducing it to teams for years. it's even more helpful now with AI.