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OpenAI’s status page:

https://status.openai.com/

Title was editorialized, original actual representation papers intent and content: “PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS ON UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL PHENOMENA”

I too have interest in dynamics of communities. Also my position that it’s healthy to expect community members to understand the economics, behavioral aspects, etc of community. For example, while I don’t likely do it as much as I should, I do intentionally try to review Dang’s public comment logs from his profile to remember how much work he puts in, better understand his take, etc.

If you’re interested, numerous books of Amazon on topic, for example:

- https://www.amazon.com/Art-Community-Seven-Principles-Belong...

Honestly, reason I posted about this is because ever once in a while I get stuff flagged, but even trying to have open minded about it, I have no idea why it was flagged and in my experience Dang’s response is neither does he.

Thank you for the clarification, sincerely appreciate you taking the time to share your understanding.

Source?

>> It's not surprising this is flagged. If you read the recommendations, discussions of downvoting (and flagging certainly counts) are not welcome because they're circular, uninteresting, and don't contribute positively to the site content.

This applies to doing so as a response to within comment where the topic itself is NOT the abuse of flagging.

>> Why are only ranked users able to flag? My guess is that after someone invests enough time in HN to accumulate 500 karma

Only 31 rep is required to flag; this is mentioned numerous times already in the comments to this submission.

Understand, specifically “show dead” — but that’s not a list of ONLY flagged comments or ONLY flagged submissions — nor is it from those lists easy to get context of why they’re flagged or easy to vouch to unflagged them; to unflagged item, click its related timestamp, then click “vouch” on the items sub-navigation.

Feel free to explain disconnect between downvotes requiring 500 rep - but flagging only requiring 31 rep.

Obviously there are numerous valid reasons to flag submissions, many of which Dang automatically does — issue is the invalid reasons.

>> Do those who have over 500 karma points, any better at remaining objective when they consider down voting a post?

Understand your point, but ease of which abusing the system is to simple. I could easily automate creating 100s of accounts a week with a rep of 31, which is all that’s required to flag — and anyone that understands how flagging could even do this manually, if motivated. Gaining 500 rep though per account would take 16x the related rep.

Realistically only measure of skill at flagging is skill at flagging; aka there should be a reputation system for flagging alone and any abuse of it should result in a ban for access to flagging or reviewing flags.

>> but it takes time to deal with the BS - actually it's a real time cost.

100% agree, but then don’t claim HN is community base on the spirit of curiosity, open reasoning, etc. Further, I don’t believe for a second that if Dang requested help creating open source moderation tools that were able to be integrated into YC’s legacy code that community would not help or be reasonably, if forced to do so publicly.

>> Actually for the last week I've been following flagged and dead posts

Not aware of any way to see 100% of these without writing code to interface with API, am I missing something?

>> It appears flags when used in a non abusive manner almost only apply to submissions and not comments.

This is in accurate, though as is, agree that it’s hard to see as a result of HN not having a public log and reporting of flags.

>> Where is the distinction defined that determines abuse?

Any flag not clearly traceable to a violation of public guidelines.

And this submission is FLAGGED — how specifically is it a violation on HN’s guidelines?

This is toxic - and claim that some how Dang is able to moderate the toxicity is telling — as is the claim the HN is a community based on spirit of curiosity and open reasoning.

* Please feel free to click the timestamp for the submission then click “vouch” if you feel this submission should NOT be flagged; if it’s unclear how to do so, happy to try to make how more clear.

Down voting of submissions is not possible — unless a user flags a submission, which is NOT what flags are for, they’re for flagging the violation HN guidelines.

No, all the following an more is possible: public logs of flags, admin logging of rules viewed by users to do X action, requiring flags be tied to an existing rule, having flags audited users, banning flagging rights from users abusing them, banning users repeatedly falsely disputing flags, etc.

Users abusing flags though is clearly toxic to the spirit of HN and should not be tolerated — it has no place in the HN community.

Flags are NOT votes — which is part of the problem, HN treats flags as votes and users are abusing it. Down voting is not even possible for submissions unless you flag a submission. Down votes on comments is not possible unless you have 500 rep, but only 31 Karma, they can flag submissions — which is a super downvote and frequently abused, and Dang for sure is aware of this.

Source for rep required to downvote or flag on HN:

- https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented/blob/m...

Agree, which is why I posted this, but to me at the point any pattern is toxic to the spirit of HN — Dang has a responsibility as the only official moderator to address it.

Thanks, agree with all your points, though at some point unless others are agreeing with me, 100% sure it would feel like I am dead set on my position, which I am not, and happy to reasonably assess any points made by others.

IWC’s mission: “provide for the proper conservation of whale stocks and thus make possible the orderly development of the whaling industry” — what it actually should be - “do not impact whales in any form”

Love YC, might be wrong, but top 20 founders of the almost 10,000 that have gone through YC created majority on YC’s returns; this count doesn’t even include the 100s of thousands of applicants that never got in. And now have ever to my knowledge come close to changing way 8 billion people behave on a daily basis.

Least for me, I am not an arm chair activist, though unlike most activists, I (now) see activism largely as a waste of time. Not because it randomly makes progress, but because the progress made normally has nothing to do with actual changes to way people reason about the world, and everything about how the feel about the world.

To me, without changing way people reason, everything else feels like it’s not addressing the fundamental problem.

To the side that kills fish? Even fish that eat fish still wanna be the ones doing the killing and eating.

Am I missing something?

Think it’s much more likely meat eaters would be the ones doing the killing.

It’s a stretch to think any country would go to war to prevent the crimes they to commit.

Might be wrong, but would be surprised if this worked, given Chinese Navy for example frequently escorts fishing boats, so I assume if sinking ships became common China would just sink any unflagged ships as pirates ghost ships.

Or, just teach fish how to sink ships and supplies to do so:

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_marine_mammal

First, I agree your list is a better source, though India offsets the Asian countries you mentioned.

As for populations being irresponsible, please feel free to explain your reasoning behind this claim, since unless I am missing something, it’s missing from your comment.

Again, if it’s so easy to not do X then getting even small countries that are democratic should be easy; obviously not, in fact, this has nothing to do with countries and everything to do with cultural norms, or the lack there of.

Sorry, read the edits, but you’re ignoring the part where union members are contributing to the problem and have provided no explanation of how or why the union members would become part of the solution.

Happy to try to understand, here’s even link to list of the percentage of workers per country that are union workers, though that’s obviously not a global count of the number of union members worldwide as a percentage of world’s population:

https://ilostat.ilo.org/topics/union-membership/

No, though I posted data that shows their claim is at best misleading and not viable:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35225376

No, that’s not true. Rapid change is possible. Majority of world is only 7 connections part, given enough social pressure, it will stop. Having simple messaging is critical, such as if you eat meat, not talking to you, buying from you, voting for you, etc.

One thing that would be useful though is a super cheap test to check if someone has eaten meat recently.

Fair enough, though still unclear how unions matter.

No, the obsession over “meat like” is counterproductive. No “meat” anything. As soon as you make something comparable, no one is going to switch unless it tastes a multi-times better than it’s comparable.

Just make nutritious non-meat food that’s delicious and doesn’t impact global ecosystem.

As a non-meat eater, I have zero desire to eat meat — unless I eat some plant-based meat, which then oddly makes me think meat would taste better, even though idea of eating meat literally makes me sick.

vegan population worldwide is likely close to 0.1% of the world’s population — how exactly are unions going to solve anything? This is a consumption issue by consumers; it’s like saying if you eliminate the drug dealers, it’ll solve a drug epidemic, no it won’t.